top 10 crime guns by age group of possessor

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i never knew 22lr Marlins were a crime gun...
i gather this is an agregate number and reflects the great numbers of 22lr Marlins in every gun owners collection.
 
Well, yes and no. I'd be careful with drawing conclusions from that data. It is based on the Youth Crime Gun Initiative. Basically, around 30-40 cities (mostly urban) agreed to trace every crime gun they collected with the ATF in order to get a better picture of the illegal gun distribution to crime prone demographics.

My guess is that these are probably similar to trends nationwide; but there really isn't anyway of knowing for sure without expanding the program dramatically.
 
Now wait a minute...isn't the Marlin Model 60 REALLY an assault rifle? Semi-auto, high magazine capacity...

Oh, sorry, no pistol grip. Must be OK.
 
Now, can anyone define "crime gun"? What was the crime? Mere possession? Or was the gun used to facilitate an actual crime?

I tried to find that info at the provided link, but gave up.
 
Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw the 22 rifles was "gun crime" includes Bubba gettin drunk and shootin at the streetlight that takes too long to turn green.
 
or what if you get arrested for robbing a bank?
They "raid" your home and run the serial numbers on all the guns. Everyone has a 10/22 or a Marlin...

Me thinks these are crime associated guns

dZ
 
"Crime guns" typically aren't guns used in crimes, but any gun owned by somebody who commits a crime. Sometimes even somebody who's merely been arrested for allegedly committing a crime.

Which explains the prevailance of sporting arms; Use a gun to defend your home, run afoul of a anti-gun prosecutor, and even if you get aquitted, the shotgun you hunt birds with gets listed as a "crime gun".
 
Also notice that the two major sellouts, Ruger, and S&W, are more abused than all the other guns they helped declare "assault weapons"...
 
i posted the baltimore city Preamble on a weblist and a lister refuted the "science" of the ATF report:
>The YCGII report analyzed source states for crime guns.
>
>70% of all traced crime guns are handguns.

In 65% of all "crime" gun traces, the "crime" is a "weapons violation"
(i.e., the presence of the gun in proximity to the suspect WAS the
crime, or, in other words, the gun was not actively involved in a rape,
robbery, murder, etc.)

>Juveniles and youths account proportionally for more crime gun traces than
>adults do: about one in ten crime guns
>were recovered from a child age 17 or under.

Pure BOVINE EXCREMENT. In this report, "juveniles" means the legal
definition of "minor," which is a person under the age of 18. One
in ten "crime" guns were recovered from a "child" under 18, yet
"juveniles" represent about 26% of the population. All things being
equal, there are roughly 2.5 times FEWER "crime" guns, per capita,
attributable to juveniles than there are among the "adult" population.

>Semi-automatic pistols account for half of all traced crime guns. Long guns
>account for one in five traced crime
>guns.

Yet the #1 gun used in crime is the Smith&Wesson .38 revolver. This
is the case in about 95% of U.S. cities. (Despite the fact that the
Washington Times reports today that the U.S. military doesn't have
enough 9mm rounds, and won't have enough until the Fall.

>A gun's "time-to-crime" varied substantially by firearm type, age of
>purchaser, and specific model.

"Age of 'purchaser'?"

What the %$#@!

They're already going to tell you that most guns are not purchased
legally, so what does the age of the last legal owner have to do
with the gun? What does the age of the PERPETRATOR have to do with
the gun? What does the age of the PURCHASER have to do with the gun?
What PURCHASER are they talking about? The one who was caught with
it, the last one who illegally laid down cash for it, or the last one
to legally buy it?

This is NOT a scientific study, my friends.

>The Highlights of the Baltimore City YCGII report show the following:
>
>Juveniles (ages 17 and under) were associated with 12 percent of the
>recovered crime guns in 1999, which is a
>higher percentage than the average of 9 percent for comparable YCGII cities.

Most cities don't have Baltimore's murder rate.

>Youth (ages 18-24) were associated with 33 percent of recovered crime guns.

NOTE THIS DEFINITION OF YOUTH!!!

If you are a LEGAL ADULT, BATF considers you a "youth" until you are
old enough (age 25) to run for Congress. Using such definitions, the
convicted drug dealer accused of killing Maryland State Trooper Edward
Toatley was a mere youth (age 23) at the time of the vicious act.

If a 24 year-old rapes your daughter, will the court consider him a
"youth?"

> Crime Guns and Illegal Diversion
>
>Few crime gun possessors bought their guns directly from Federally Licensed
>Gun Dealers. Over 89 percent of
>Baltimore crime guns changed hands at least once before reaching the crime
>gun possessor and could have been
>legally transferred, straw purchased, otherwise trafficked, stolen, or a
>combination of these.

Duh.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief (authored by Rand), "Guns
in Crime" says that there were 343,000 REPORTED gun thefts according to the
FBI in a given year (I believe '93 or '94). That was approximately THIRTY
TIMES more GUN THEFTS than the total number of "gun" murders in 1995.

We know that more than one gun was stolen per theft. So the statistical
fact is that in a single decade, MILLIONS of stolen firearms are "on the
street."

Those people willing to "spank" kindergartners with a machete will have
no problem getting ONE out of the MILLIONS of guns stolen just in the
last few years. There's no need for buying from an FFL.

(If you believed BATF's tripe, you'd think that gangbangers were sitting
around in their basements with their Hornady manual and their Dillon
press loading up the latest batch of .454 Casull for their "junk" gun.)

>Many of the crime guns had a short "time-to-crime." 28 percent of the crime
>guns (570) had a time-to-crime of less
>than three years, and 14 percent (280) had a time-to-crime of a year or less.

72% of "crime" guns SUCCESSFULLY TRACED had a "time-to-crime" of MORE THAN
THREE YEARS since the last FFL transfer. 86% have a "time-to-crime" of
more than a year, and as Phil can tell you, many older firearms are not
even traced, or just plain left out of the pool of statistics. In many
"juvenile" cases, for crying out loud the gun is older that the suspect,
and/or the last FFL purchase was before the "juvenile" was born.

>Overall, 5 percent of handguns recovered in Baltimore had obliterated serial
>numbers.

95% are too stupid to obliterate the serial number. They're willing to
kill, but they don't want a federal gun violation on their conscience.

Who knows, in Maryland, they might get more time in the pen for scratching
off a serial number than they will for murder!

Remember this 95% "unobliterated" number when they tell all us responsible,
law-abiding, gun-owning citizens that they need "unobliterateable" serial
numbers ($$$$) so that they can catch those 5% who try to scratch them off.

>Youth in Baltimore were associated with the highest percent of handguns with
>obliterated serial numbers (7
>percent), as compared to juveniles (5 percent) and adults (5 percent). The
>obliteration of serial numbers is a key
>trafficking indicator.

Or, %$#@!, the indication of an older "street" gun. Remember, there are
zillions of guns "on the street." "Trafficking," whether legal or illegal,
is far more irrelevant.

Tracking GUNS is politically correct. Tracking criminals, in Maryland, is
apparently impossible, especially when they accumulate 72 parole violations
before killing a Maryland State Trooper, or in Howard County where they die
while wearing a P.G. County "home detention" ankle bracelet.

> Types of Crime Guns
[snip]

Despite all the stats, the .38 S&W is still "king" in crime.

Boycott Smith & Wesson.

> Geographic Sources
>
>Maryland Federal firearms licensees (FFLs) were the source of 61 percent of
>all traceable crime guns recovered in
>Baltimore.

But most are not legally obtained. Note how they shift responsibility to
the LEGAL PROPRIETOR for the ILLEGAL ACTIONS of the criminal! They make
it sound like they walked into Valley Gun and then robbed somebody the
next week.

There are 5 million people in Maryland. Sheer numbers make it likely that
somebody is going to buy a gun legally and commit a crime with the aid of
it, and that story will be all over the TV, radio, and newspapers. The
fact is, these events are exceedingly rare. Why buy from a storefront
owner when you can buy one of the millions of stolen guns from the
3,340,000 "reported" thefts in the last decade?

>FFLs located in Baltimore City were the source of 48 percent of crime guns
>recovered in Baltimore and purchased in
>Maryland.

And stolen in Maryland...

What a shock. Half were sold here.

Duh.

>The complete report for Baltimore and other cities will be listed on ATF's
>Web site, http://www.atf.treas.gov.
>http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/ycgii/1999/index.htm

Use in place of Ipecac.
 
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