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Originally when the indictments came down I did some surface checking/looking and believed that Mr. Delay was an honest and ethical person. I truly thought the charges were bogus partyism.

Since then a lot has come to the surface and I'm wondering....

An outsider at first, he muscled his way up the hierarchy when he won election as whip over the hand-picked choice of then-Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.

When Gingrich nearly fell in a coup more than three years later, DeLay went before fellow Republicans at a private meeting and emotionally confessed his role in the plotting
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060108/ap_on_go_co/delay_32

The Texas Republican demanded closure of the casino, owned by the Alabama-Coushatta tribe of Texas, in a Dec. 11, 2001 letter to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft...

...the letter, which was also signed by Texas Republican Reps. Pete Sessions, John Culberson and Kevin Brady....

Sessions' political action committee received $6,500 from Abramoff's tribal clients within three months after signing the letter...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060110/ap_on_go_co/lobbyist_fraud_delay

DeLay subsequently was rebuked by the ethics committee for badgering a lobbying organization
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http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/13575634.htm

I don't mind "hard ball" politics. What I think I'm seeing here is something a touch different than that however. "Underhanded" is the word that seems to fit what's been going on.

So, maybe the indictment does have some basis?
 
So, maybe the indictment does have some basis?
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Not from what I understand.

The prosecutor had to go through several grand juries to scare up the indictment, which is vague at best. Also, Ronnie Earle clearly has an agenda, and has done this in the past to other republicans, none of which amounted to anything other than a smear campaign. And this is most certainly a smear campaign.
 
Ronney Earl is just as dirty as DeLay. Problem is that's irrelevant. We're seeing the beginning of massive corruption in DC and a goodly portion of which is spinelessrepublican. In that environment DeLay is dirty regardless of reality. All that matters is perception. I predict charges will eventually be dismissed or he'll be tried on j-walking but he will never get his leadership position back. Politics in DC is a full contact sport. Get out of the league if you can't take the abuse.
 
one thing that my moma told me growing up is that birds of a feather flock together.... Mr. DeLay deserves a trial just like everyone else to determine his guilt. When you run with a crowd that reputation tends to rub off on you. With the Abramhoff guilty pleas and three of Delay's aides going down....what would most people think?

two possibilities people consider is DeLay was ignorant of his aides activities or he knew about them.... most folks think DeLay does not miss too much.
 
Lord Acton was correct. "Power Corrupts..."(you know the rest)

Even Duke Cunningham got caught being massively stupid.

Damocles' sword hangs over all their heads. Sometimes the thread breaks.
 
two possibilities people consider is DeLay was ignorant of his aides activities or he knew about them....
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If he was ignorant of what his people were doing is that not as good a reason to remove him from power?
 
Irrelevant but vaguely gun related DeLay info. After Columbine, DeLay laid the blame on the teaching of evolution. Quite the intellect.

Columbine shooting spurs attack on evolution. The tragedy at Columbine High School leads to a general outcry that teenagers in America have lost their moral bearings. In Congress, conservative Republican Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas links this moral decline specifically to the teaching of evolution: "Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [sic] out of some primordial soup."
 
Hate to say it, but there are very few statesman left in Washington (or even in our state Capitols). There is a very short list of people in my book who are truly statesmen who live on principle (whether I agree with them 100% of the time or not). Congressman Ron Paul of Texas and former presidential nominee and advisor now editor of American Conservative Magazine Patrick Buchanan to name two. There are one or two others I think but I can't think of their names offhand.
 
There are others in the world then Christians.
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Well, I am a religious "bigot" then. As is anybody else who is a true believer of their faith, whether that faith is Jewish, Islam, Christian, Humanist or even relativist. There is nothing wrong with this. As a Christian, I believe that my religion is right and everyone ought to agree with it. I believe that nobody comes to the Father but through Jesus. This is stated in the Holy Bible. As a true believer of the Christian faith, I can't deny that truth. That doesn't mean I intend violence or harm to anyone who unfortunately doesn't believe that, neither does Pat.

There are different denominations of Christians in both Protestant and Catholic circles. But they fundamentally have the most important belief (which is the one stated above) but have different (some of them quite important) views on other areas of theology. I am a Protestant with a Baptist denomination background. I think there are serious things wrong with the Catholic church, moreso than other Protestant denominations (though there are things that I think are wrong with the Baptist church too). I think the Catholic church has many serious problems but does not mean I mean harm or violence towards anyone of the Catholic faith, BUT that being said I do believe that many of them, despite any theological errors, are sincere Christians and understand the more important issues of the faith. I think Pat Buchanan is one of those people.
I disagree with his denomination, I disagree with some of his political views (limiting free trade for example), but what I do like about Pat is that he is a true Conservative who above all sticks to what he believes and is not afraid to say what he believes (even if I don't agree wit hit.) This alone makes him far more valuable as a voice than most other "Republicans" or so called "conservatives" in Washington.
 
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