Tokarev vs. Makarov

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Ok, I have read tons on the Russian via Bulgaria Makarov's.

Today I was at the range and saw a Tokarev. It was Russian made, very accurate. The guy who owned it let me hold it. Nice balance. He said it was a pain to field strip...you had to push the recoil spring in, put pins in and secure the pins with a split ring ("c" clip)...crappy design.

Anyway...how do the Makarov's compare to the Tokarev's...pros and cons...from field stripping, cleaning, accuracy, parts availability, etc.?

One other thing, my new friend at the range said that the East German pitols had the best fit and finish...but the ugly finish Russian guns were very accurate.

Thanks, Keko
 
Both can be accurate pistols and both have plenty of parts though the Mak has the edge in that area. The Mak does not fire a very powerful cartridge, but it's adequate for self defense. The Tok cartridge can be pretty powerful depending on the load and with hollowpoint ammunition has about the capability of the .357 mag in regards to close range deer hunting although people are going to chime in about it's overpenetration when used as a defensive/carry gun.
 
Today I was at the range and saw a Tokarev. It was Russian made, very accurate. The guy who owned it let me hold it. Nice balance. He said it was a pain to field strip...you had to push the recoil spring in, put pins in and secure the pins with a split ring ("c" clip)...crappy design.
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Methinks you answered your own question!!

Pistolet Makarova is simple to field strip, operate, and contrary to what some say, chambers a more than adequate round!!

The CZ-52 is a much better design!!!
 
Don't get Chinese!

I once bought one of those Toks in 9MM from China. Was kinda neat to play with but that wore off. Apparently had sight reg'd for the original cal, and so the poi for 9MM ammo was no where near where I aimed. Not too accurate.
Stupid hard to use import law safety lever. Blueing was thin and quick job. Looked bad and l parkerised the gun and sold it with that finish to someone. They apparently thought it was a rare variation or something. Looked better too. I have seen the Polish Toks are more like the Russians and are supposed to be good. In any case it would be a plinker or a historical curiosity for most purposes. The CZ 52 is probably a better gun in that caliber by a longshot.
 
I haven't messed with the Toks much but here's what I know about the Maks.

They are extremely reliable even with poor quality ammunition.

The sights are tiny. If you can see the sights, the gun is very accurate.

Maks can be field stripped in a jiffy with no tools. They can be taken down into tiny parts in about 10 minutes with no tools other than a screwdriver to remove the grip.

The stock grips are uncomfortable but you can get a Pearce grip for $10 that makes a world of difference.

9x18 is loaded by U.S. makers to .380 specs but at full power is roughly halfway between .380 and 9mm. 9x18 is typically pretty cheap if you shoot the steel case stuff--and you should at the range since that's what the guns were made for. You can get some better stuff to carry, if you like.

You can put a .380 barrel on a Mak for about $100. $50 for the barrel and $50 for a barrel press.

Magazines are readily available and cost about $5 apiece. I've bought quite a few for less than that.
 
I own and like both of these pistols, but i consider them historical guns in my collection. My favorite os probably the Tok, simply because I like the primitive genius of it's design. Toks are generally ruined with the stupid safety stuck on it for importation. They are a real hoot to shoot.

Both guns, however, are ingeniously simple. If the Mak was made today with good sights and a little nicer grip, it would be a hot seller. It makes a great CCW gun.
 
Maks were not designed for target shooting or IDPA tournaments. It was designed as a service pistol for short and medium ranges. It is basically a "grab the darn thing and shoot" gun. Perfect for our modern environment.

Should you desire superior targeting performance, some really big prescription glasses with a lot of magnifying power or Novak's should help.
 
Cz52

I posted this in a different thread, but maybe someone here can give me some good help:

I was looking at the CZ52's at www.aimsurplus.com and was wondering if anyone has bought from them and if the guns are in as good of a condition as the website says they are? If they are, and they as good as everyone says they are, then $89.95 for the gun, two mags and a holster is an awesome deal!

Any feedback would be much appreciated, since this might be a nice little Christmas gift to myself.
 
That sounds like a good deal, i know a little more about the type 54-1 the the CZ's are still good guns and that price is good as well.
 
I have a couple of the CZ pistols and think they're great shooters, but they fall even more squarely into the collector niche than either the Mak or the Tok IMO.

If you're looking for a good general purpose gun, you'd be better served by the Mak or the Tok, I think.

My vote out of the three goes to the Mak.
 
Yep, you can take that pesky safety off, but then you have a pesky hole through your frame. You can fill that hole, but then you have to refinish the gun. You can refinish the gun, but then you wonder why they put a stupid safety that doesn't work anyway on a gun to make it "safe" to be imported. ;)
 
I'm a big fan of the Tokarev and have a Chinese version. Like others have said above, the safety is the pits (mine goes opposite of anything else I've ever used) but it's accurate and the bottle neck cartridge never jams. I carry some 100g Hornady JHPs that I bought off of gunbroker and they work well. The gun is extremely loud, though, and some people develop a flinch when they shoot mine after a couple rounds.
The takedown is a piece of cake to me. If you can take a 1911 down, you'll have no problem with a Tok.
 
A couple, non-scientific replies:
I own a Tok (Polish), a couple Maks (Russian commercial, Bulgarian, and an East German), as wells as a couple CZ52s.
I have had reliability issues with the Maks (all three), but they are very accurate and well made handguns. As an example, I have fired groups at 10 yards that could be covered with a quarter (the contents of the magazine).
I am currently using my Tok as my handgun for a couple shooting sports that I participate in: Vintage Military Bolt Action Rifle, and Vintage Military Semi-Auto Rifle. During these matches they usually have a small handgun stage and the Tok has worked out well for me. However, after the last two matches I did a little playing around my Tok and realized that the accruacy of this thing is horrible. In both cases, I was taking a few shots at a distant rifle target (in excess of 100 yards) and had shots scattering all over the place. In my own defense, I am a decent pistol shot. I often shoot at distant targets with handguns and have for 25 years. With this Tok, I have fired a good solid shot at approx. 150 yards and saw the bullet kick up dust over 10 yards away from my point of aim. I realize this is a very informal method of testing handgun accuracy, but it is my observation.
The CZ52s are somethiing that I haven't spent a lot of time shooting even though I have probably owned them for something like three years. That is on the agenda for the future.
 
I believe CDNN has unissued CZ52s for $100.00. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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I doubt it, probably refurbs. The last truly "unissued" CZ-52's I've seen were at AIM surplus back in February and they all flew out the door within a matter of few days. I was lucky to get a couple on the last day they had them.
 
Or maybe they could invent a firewall to end 13 year old zombie threads!:eek:


The blowback system of the Makarov pistol would never handle the pressure of the 7.62x25 Tokarev round. It wouldn't take too many rounds before you had a Mak slide sticking out of your forehead!
The seller's fortune would be quickly taken away in liability suits!:D
 
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