Today's glock project

HighValleyRanch

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Sorry for the long post, but I post these threads because I know that there are others who contemplate the same as me, and hopefully these threads help others who are considering the same.
It may not be for everyone, but to each his own.

I am not a newbie. I know what I'm doing.
So please do not post, why didn't he just sell the 20 and get a 29.

I have been thinking about this for quite a long time.
I originally did own a glock 29 for my woods concealed carry (yes, in California concealed carry of a gun in the woods is sometimes necessary).
Since at the time we were only allowed two guns on the carry permit, the choice has to be multi functional, i.e. concealable and workable for four legged critters. (Yes, we have black bears and big cats near my place in the woods).

I liked the glock 29, but found it very chunky feeling. Like many compact glocks, the hump on the backstrap feels funny, and yes, I could have done a grip mod on the 29, but the short barrel lended itself to the fat feeling, and use for hunting also requires a 4 inch barrel.

So I sold the 29 and then got a glock 20.
Well, as most know, the grip is huge on these gen 3 models. Not so much from the shooting stand point, but more for concealed carry.
Believe me, I tried every conceivable way to carry this gun. I really like it.
Winter no problem, but summer woods wandering, not so easy.

I even purchased a glock 29 magazine when I purchased the glock 20 with this chop in mind, but never did it, trying to love the glock 20 as it was.
You can't just find too many people with these, so feeling one in the hand first is not an option. I knew that the 29 grip length was not going to be a problem as I already had one before and shot it well and qualified with it.

As well, I did a glock 19 to 26 conversion way back in 1995. Same thing. I liked my 19 and liked the advantage of a shorter grip. In fact, later I owned a glock 26, but found that I liked my conversion even better. Same thing as the glock 29, the hump.

When you cut the longer glock 20 to the 29 length, the angle stays the same, but the backstrap is straighter WITHOUT the hump. The glock 29 has the hump and feels shorter because it curves in at the bottom. Here, I was able to keep it longer and merge with bottom of the magazine.

The longer barrel is hidden in IWB carry, so that is not an issue. Legal for hunting, longer sight radius, adaptable for much longer after market barrels (20 and 29 locking lugs are different), convertible between the 29 and 20 grips lengths with use of A & G sleeve adapters. With the 29 mag and a Pearce finger extension you even get the mid length grip many want.
And finally, in california we are limited to 10 rounds magazines (for the most part) and so the 29 magazine here does not reduce capacity for the normal legal 20 magazine.

SO TODAY WAS THE DAY.
It takes some gumption to take your glock to the bandsaw and start cutting!:eek: I am a wood worker by trade, so I am comfortable doing this myself. The project took less than two hours, taking care at the end in the final fitting of the mag to the gun with the back lip. I chose at this time not to do any modification to the grip and keep it bone stock except for the chop.
But this is important....
I DID FIND THAT YOU CAN USE A DREMEL TO STIPPLE THE POLYMER AS YOU DO ON WOOD.
Before I could not find this anywhere on the internet, and everyone else uses the solder method for stippling. Using the dremel you can texture very fine and have more control. If I do any grip mods such as finger goover removal, or smoothing, i will use a dremel for texturing. Not those ugly solder iron textures you see so often nowadays.

If anyone is interested in the chop process, I can post more details. It's way more common these days.

I really like the results and now I can carry it finally without printing under even a T shirt!

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Nice!!

One of my former workmates was doing 19 to 26 grips back in 2004. I really liked the idea.

I might buy another 19 just to get this done. My current 19 is used as a surpressed HD gun. So i dont want to chop that one.
 
thanks!
Just got back from function testing and it works fine!

Here is a photo of the Glock 19 to 26 in comparison with the Glock 20 to 29.
The 20 to 29 appears slightly longer in slide to grip.

The 19 to 26 has a GAP Enterprises two finger extension floor plate which really locks the two finger hold onto the short grip frame.

Since GAP Enterprises doesn't make one for the .45 or 10mm models, I'm thinking about fashioning my own by riveting a metal plate to the 29 polymer floor plate and then using devcon black plastic to shape the final finger extension.

Will post pics much later when I get my A & G sleeve and the pearce extension and show the wide variety of possibilities with these chop jobs.

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Varys according to where the woods are.

Yes,open carry without permit on private property, but if I wanted to ride my mule down the road to the neighbor's 500 acre woods, I better carry concealed. Even if the road is privately shared by common easement by the few neighbors, it's still considered "public" so you have to carry concealed. Just like if you carried open in your private apartment, but went down through the commons to empty the garbage, those commons are public and you cannot carry open.

If you drive to the woods, no matter where it is, you need to carry concealed
(on the way there) because of course you are on public roads.

State forests you can carry open, I believe, but not state parks.
Again, I have seen this when people are usually carrying their stuff to the "open" gun range quarry, but not just hiking around.

And of course in California, the people are not gun orientated, so even if it was legal, you run the risk of every uninformed Tom, Dick and Harry reporting it to the Sheriff or Ranger.

So basically, it's a good practice to just carry concealed to be safe.

BUT if you do carry concealed where it would be kinda legal to carry open,
(as in the example of a state forest) then you are breaking the law if you don't have a CCW permit.

And yes, you need a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapons) permit to carry concealed, but if in a state forest, you technically can carry open without the permit, but then it depends if you are hunting, then you need the hunting permit and need to be legal within those constraints.

And finally, if I like to carry open around my own ranch, I try to cover the weapon up when someone comes to visit, or UPS comes, or the meter reader, etc.

LOL, I probably will be tested on all this in the next few weeks when I have to re-qualify!;)

If I'm wrong on any of this, please feel free to correct.
I don't want to give out any misinformation that might get someone into trouble! It's just that these laws can sometimes get confusing!
Jim March might know much of this better than me!
 
Nice work HighVally.

I've thought about shortening the grip on a G17 to G19 length, but I think I would prefer to do that with a Gen 2 because of the lack of finger groves, and since I don't have a Gen 2 G17 I would probably have to buy 2 of them, one to keep stock and one to chop...

I haven't had the heart to chop a Glock yet. I hope to someday though.

How did you figure out where and at what angle to make the first horizontal cut?
 
How did you figure out where and at what angle to make the first horizontal cut?

I layed the glock 29 magazine on top of the glock 20 grip frame and could see where the catch would engage.

I wan't going to try and do it in one cut, but planned to leave it about 1/4 inch long and work my way up. That way I could adjust the bottle angle to mag floor plate as well. Since I wanted to leave a "tail" for greater backstrap length, i had to determine the angle of the divider. Little did I realize how delicate that was, as the bottom of the magazine floor plate actually goes further than the divider, so I ended up having to SPLIT the divider with my cut. Since I was doing this free hand, it was a tricky operation, but managed to slice it pretty close to half and then use a dremel and rasp to clean up.

The first pic shows the initial cut marks about 1/4 inch in from the final lines.

After the initial cut, I then could see where I was and work my way back and up.

The second photo shows after the second cut, moving the tail bottom closer to matching the mag, but the mag still had a ways to go up.

I just worked my way up by slicing 1/16 inch with the bandsaw until I got really close and used a rasp and dremel to finalize the perfect line.
Then cleaned it all up with file, and sand paper.
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I'm adding this photo to show how close the back of the magazine comes into the divider between the mag well and the back strap hollow. What you see of the divider has already been sliced in half, but only 1/4 inch to match the bottom of the mag floor plate.

I also put in the half round cutout in the divider as in the original for pulling the mag out if necessary. Still deciding if I am going to put the lanyard hole back in the back.

But if you can definitely see from my original first photo how much straighter the backstrap is than a stock glock 29.

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Well, I gotta agree with the word gumption not being the right word to describe the mindset needed to do this. :) I also have to agree that you did a great job. I too do not like the humped back strap. So, I understand your desire to make the gun you have, fit the desired needs you face. Once again, great job. I bet you sweated while doing it didn't you? :D God Bless
 
Nice!

I've often wanted to find an old 21SF and do the same. Perhaps I could even do it juuuuust perfect enough to stop the pinky-pinching my 30S does to me.
 
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