To kill and take up arms; would you protect the constitution? Maybe it's time?

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I look at the second amendment as I do the first. I would fight and die (preferably kill the other guy) to preserve this right.

Just why is the second amendment less deserving of protection to the ultimate degree than the first amendment? Picking up arms has few equals in getting your message accross.

Let me ask you a simple question. Would you pick up arms to defend your right to freedom of speech? Would you pick up your arms to defend the right that gives you the means to defend all other rights (the freedom to bear arms)?

Imagine the cries, the outright incitement to violence by the media were the right to freedom of speech threatened. I think we should take the same road as the media would take should their first amendment rights be threatened. The first thing the media would do is publish and broadcast whatever is nessessary to incite people to violence in order to protect the first amendment. There is a time for everything and picking up arms to protect a right is sometimes nessessary. It's quickly becomming the case with the second amendment. You just may have to pick up arms to protect that right.

It's really simple, you either beleive in the constitution or you don't. You may have to kill to protect it.

PS; YES, I am advocating violence to protect the constitution and the bill of rights. I think we really need this attitude in order to get the seriousness of this issue accross to those who would deprive us of our constitutional rights. Time has shown that they do not understand any other argument.
 
Well, I'm not as sure as you that the media would ipso facto incite people to violence in defense of the 1st Amendment.

And, you won't like this, but while I respect the way you feel, I honestly think that this kind of public conversation serves no purpose at this time. I think it was Claire Wolfe who said 'It's too late to work within the system, but it's too early to shoot the basta*ds.' For many of us, we're working hard to help people see the truths involved in the RKBA, and it is 'impractical' to do that while saying that we'll take up arms if we don't get our way.

Talk of violence is potentially illegal, contrary to the ethics of TFL, and unproductive, IMHO.

Regards from AZ
 
Separate and distinct from Second Amendment issues, there are many laws and executive orders which are thought to be unconstitutional.

In part, the problem is two-fold: Few are willing to break such a law as a test case. Few have the money, or will seriously contribute to a fund, to cover the legal costs of going all the way to SCOTUS.

But so long as legal remedies have not been exhausted, very few will or should support a call for violence.

FWIW, Art
 
Whoa! Gotta at least be a Senior Member before you can advocate armed rebellion!

Seriously, this is a breach of etiquette and also a TFL no-no. There's a time and place for everything and this ain't it.
 
Interesting responses, to say the least. It is this lack of intestinal fortitude that will spell the end of your rights. If you truly beleive in your rights, you will fight for them. Legislative measures have so far picked apart your "rights" so that you have little of them left. I suppose that that you both will someday proclaim "Oh well, we tried and faild in the legislative arena so we will let it be".

That is the attitude that will spell the end of your right to bear arms.

Remember, all "rights" stem from the barrel of a gun!!!

PS, I think you're both gutless wonders!!
 
Whether a person will or will not is something that should be disscussed in private at home or whatever."Engage brain before engaging mouth" is a old adage and as true now as then.Please engage your brain.


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Beemerb;
Engage brain before mouth indeed! I live in California and we are on the road to a complete loss of our "gun rights". I've tried everything to avoid that loss of rights so what is left for me to do? Do you suggest I give in and turn in my arms? The law now requires me to do it.

I say that you too are a gutless wonder!

Our "rights" are already lost!!
 
Insult a few more of us! That'll win people to your cause!

Did you really think you'd post this revolutionist manifesto to TFL and somehow, magically, people thousands of miles apart would realize the true path to salvation and rally around your cause? And then what?

Take a pill, junior. We've batted the old "Time for Revolution Yet?" ball around quite a bit here at TFL. We come here for discussion and idea exchange, not to be baited and insulted. Better minds than yours have pondered the eternal questions and we're all still here, typing away, hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.

Lay off the insults and realize that the people who responded to your post were nothing but polite and considerate, no matter how big of an a$$ you've made of yourself.
 
Jack99;
You choose to look at it as an insult. I choose to look at it as a call to arms. What do you think would happen should 3 million ARMED gun owners decide to march on Washinton or the Democratic convention in LA? Who would have the balls to stop them? What other method do you propose that will work to secure our gun rights?
 
PS Jack99;
I'm On the side of maintaining our right to bear arms and I'm tired of sitting by while we allow the legislative proccess to take its media driven course against us. I want to see a million man ARMED march to drive the point home to everyone that our rights are NOT NEGOTIABLE!! Do you have a better plan? HHMMMMMMM??
Jack99, I think you gotta start getting mean because nothing else has worked so far. We are still loosing our rights and there is no end in sight to their anti-gun push. To me, the anti-gun efforts are the same as saying "SHUT UP, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH"!!!

Do you hear that Jack99? SHUT UP!! I don't want that for you but that is the message of the anti-gunners...... SHUT UP!!

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Right. Lights out.

As an aside, Crossbones, old boy, we've been doing this for a bit of a while. I don't know about Rich and the others, but I know for a fact that lurkers from at least one Federal agency and one State agency hit our site with great regularity. One of the benefits of being an ex-LEO.

It may be 'cool' or whatthehellever to metaphorically paint a target on your tuckuss and hang it out in the wind, but it doesn't cut any ice here.

In addition, this is a private site. Totally owned by a private individual, and totally maintained by a private individual. This private individual has declared certain topics off-limits. The Senior Members are trying to keep you from stepping on your squishy parts.

Next time, might I suggest that you listen to them, instead of giving your friendly Moderator heartburn? Thanks ever so.

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LawDog

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