TN passes PRO gun bill

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southjk

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Surprisingly the state of TN yesterday passed a bill allowing handgun carry permit holders to store firearms in vehicles parked almost everywhere despite property owners or employer's wishes. This includes school and college campuses.

The bill passed on a 28-5 vote.

I love this quote from the bills sponsor.
Ramsey said he feels "very strongly that gun-carry permit holders with their impeccable track record need to have their guns in their car wherever they go. It's proven that's a detriment to crime."
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This was actually one of the reasons I haven't been in a hurry to get my permit because every day I had to go to my daughters school twice and to my office. Now I won't have to worry about having it locked up in my car if I have it with me.

Keep it up TN!
 
It doesn't help with your office, and I'd have to check if it was WA law I read, or Fed Law, but I remember something about parents/guardians picking up and dropping off children from school with a carry permit being exempt from the Gun Free Zone. Didn't sound like you could walk into a PTA meeting, or the principle's office with it, but you could idle on the loop waiting... again that also may be WA law, which wouldn't help in TN.
 
How does the state enforce such a law? Have they removed my right to eject people from my property for whatever reason I see fit? I get allowing guns in vehicles on public property, schools, city buildings etc. But, telling a private property owner what they must allow on their property rubs me the wrong way. I have no issue with people keeping guns in their cars, but the principle is what bugs me. Don't tell me I can't boot someone off my land for any reason I see fit.
 
NM has in their laws specific allowances for anyone over the age of 19 and a legal owner to have their guns in their cars on school grounds. You do not need a CCW license. There are no other state-prohibited locations as far as areas accessed by vehicle that you need be concerned about.

Good for TN on addressing the issue.
 
overhead said:
How does the state enforce such a law? Have they removed my right to eject people from my property for whatever reason I see fit? I get allowing guns in vehicles on public property, schools, city buildings etc. But, telling a private property owner what they must allow on their property rubs me the wrong way. I have no issue with people keeping guns in their cars, but the principle is what bugs me. Don't tell me I can't boot someone off my land for any reason I see fit.
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Tennessee Senate Bill 142 does not prevent a private property owner from telling someone to leave his land.

The bill would amend Tennessee criminal law so that it would not be a crime for an individual to have a firearm in his vehicle, hidden from observation, where he is otherwise entitled to be. Significantly, the bill would also shield property owners from civil liability arising from the presence of those arms.
 
I did not realize it was a crime in Tennessee to possess a gun on private property if the owner did not allow it. As long as they are not forcing property owners to allow weapons I don't have an issue with it.
 
100% agree with the bill, if and only if, private businesses, schools, and individuals can still legally ask the firearms owner to leave.

Which it sounds like the case, so whoopee.
 
The bill proposes a sort of epistemological question. If the weapon involved is not subject to normal observation, on what basis would a property owner ask an individual to leave?
 
southjk said:
This was actually one of the reasons I haven't been in a hurry to get my permit because every day I had to go to my daughters school twice and to my office. Now I won't have to worry about having it locked up in my car if I have it with me.
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As I understand it, it is already legal for non-student adults with a HCP to have a handgun locked in their car on school property. Also, unless your office parking lot is posted against firearms, you can legally have your gun locked in your car there.

This bill only makes it legal for an employee to have a gun locked in a car in a parking lot that is posted against firearms and takes civil liability from an employer if an employee misuses a gun on their property.

I don't think this bill will affect the lives of very many Tennesseans with HCPs. An employer can still ask to search your private vehicle and fire you if you refuse, or for no reason at all.
 
James Yeager?

Did Yeager testify at the committee meeting of the elected officials?

:D

What?... Too soon?... Lol.

Good job 2A supporters & gun owners in the Volunteer state.
 
How does the state enforce such a law? Have they removed my right to eject people from my property for whatever reason I see fit? I get allowing guns in vehicles on public property, schools, city buildings etc. But, telling a private property owner what they must allow on their property rubs me the wrong way. I have no issue with people keeping guns in their cars, but the principle is what bugs me. Don't tell me I can't boot someone off my land for any reason I see fit.
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In Georgia, it wasn't that private property owners were not allowed to control their property but rather the GA legislature or court said that one's vehicle is an extension of their private property. So I can have guns, alcohol (not opened of course) or whatever in my car and the parking lot's owner has no say what is in my car. But once I take it out of my car, it is no longer on my private property but the parking lot's property
 
"In Georgia, it wasn't that private property owners were not allowed to control their property but rather the GA legislature or court said that one's vehicle is an extension of their private property. So I can have guns, alcohol (not opened of course) or whatever in my car and the parking lot's owner has no say what is in my car. But once I take it out of my car, it is no longer on my private property but the parking lot's property"

I understand. My point was, as a property owner, I can tell you to remove your vehicle or your person from my property for any reason I see fit. If I don't like a gun I know you have or see you have in your vehicle I can tell you to leave, I do not have to tell you why I am asking you to leave. My concern was maintaining property rights, I do not really like it the government starts telling what I may or may not allow on my property. We have enough of that already.

My concern is the more we allow the government to tell us what we must allow on our private property we also sort of open the legal door for them telling us more stuff we "may not" have on our property.
 
Overheard says:

How does the state enforce such a law? Have they removed my right to eject people from my property for whatever reason I see fit? I get allowing guns in vehicles on public property, schools, city buildings etc. But, telling a private property owner what they must allow on their property rubs me the wrong way. I have no issue with people keeping guns in their cars, but the principle is what bugs me. Don't tell me I can't boot someone off my land for any reason I see fit.
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You need to consider...there is private property that others can only visit with your permission (your private home) and Private property that is open to the public for several reasons...like a store, a motel, a business.

If that store, motel, or business cannot restrict who enters or works on that property (try the Americans with Disabilities Act as well as other "non-discrimination" acts...why could those places restrict a fundimental right, especially when it concerns the visitor's own private property (his vehicle)?

Now, for your home, that is a different matter, you do not have to allow the visitor's vehicle on your property.

If you have a business that is open to the public, you have no private property rights...just try discriminate against a protected group and you will soon find out.
 
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