Tioga Boar "hunt" video

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Hey guys, here's a follow up with the full length video of my "hunt" at Tioga preserve. Yes, it's more of a shoot than a hunt, so definitely not "fair chase", but it's still lots of fun, it can be dangerous (we got a charged a few times), and is a great use of the resource; much better than just letting them rot in a field down south...

Rifle was an SLR15 Grail by Defensive Edge, Pistol was an HK USP Compact Tactical .45, and I filmed it with i-KAM Extreme Sunglasses, so you get a point of view similar to mine.

Hope you like it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3gz1NRNbqs&feature=player_embedded
 
Okay, isn't this the same video you posted for the thread on missing an animal because it was too close and we determined that you had a heck of a flinch and not a sighting issue?
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415063
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Double Naught Spy: Yep, but as stated in my post: "here's a follow up with the full length video"...this one is 9.5 minutes long, and has lots of pics and other footage...

Also, I mention at the end of the video that I actually missed the first two and managed to bag two a few minutes later. I left it for the end to see how many people actually watch the whole thing vs. how many comment with something like "Hey, it looks like you missed! Are you trying to pull a fast one?!" :D

Oh, and there was no flinch on the second shot; that really was a sighting issue because it was so close...
 
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Why, when faced with a crippled game animal, are we having f-word laced discussions with our guide, as opposed to putting the animal out of it's misery as quickly as possible?

I mean this in the most constructive way possible. We are the ambassadors of our sport in a world that is increasingly hostile to it. As such, or actions (especially the recorded ones) must be as close to beyond reproach as possible. This comes to you from another flawwed human, who has also done bad things, things I try not to repeat. I too, have on occasion required someone else to point out my mistake.

Nice shooting though, and good pork. Sure is more fun than the supermarket!
 
Oh, say, um where did those two rifle shots hit? I have a ton of hunting experience, but not with hogs. If they were well placed hits, then your hunting results with the 5.56/.223 mirror my own: Good hits/slow death/critter still leaving. My .223 experience came on 4 pronghorn antelope. Three were heart and lung hit, one of them twice. All slowed to a walk, then stopped, then lay down. Comming from an '06 I was used to BANG!-FLOP! type kills.
 
Sasmix, yes, you are correct in the choice of language not being the best...I tried to keep it as true as possible to the actual event, and maybe that was not the best idea. Caught up in the excitement and the moment...

I actually have a PG-13 version as well that I made for the other people who came with their children so that they could share it with them; all foul language is removed in this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Wl3l36RLY

Maybe I will make that one the only version instead.


Oh, and as far as the rifle shots, you might be surprised about what you find out if you watch the whole video, or specifically if you go to the 8:50 mark in the pg-13 video link above, or the 9:02 mark in the original video...

What can I say, I was a little flustered...many unexpected things happened:

They came SO soon (literally in 3 minutes), they came from the right instead of the left (guide was doing a drive on the left), they came SO quickly into the shooting lane from when I first spotted them (literally 10 seconds), they came SO close (literally 10 - 15 feet, instead of the expected 30 - 40 yards), and my only safe shooting lane was the dirt road.

Add up all of those factors and it led me to perform very poorly on the first shot (I flinched HARD, and squeezed the trigger too late as well) and so I missed.

The second shot, however, was technically PERFECT according to my red sight, but since they were SO close and the rifle was sighted in for 100 yards I actually shot low and missed as well. It just never occurred to me to compensate for such close proximity.

So the two I got actually came out a few minutes after these two I missed, and this time at about 25 yards. I really wish I had kept the camera rolling, because I made two quick, beautiful hits, and that would have been epic to capture on film. Murphy's Law, I guess.

I was really happy with the 5.56 to the shoulders in that there was very little damage (Silver State Armory 70 grain Barnes TSX) and they only went about 35 - 40 yards before running out of steam. Not a tack driver because of a 1 in 9 twist barrel, but good enough for hunting out to 100 yards at least. I will try the 62 grain ones next, or use this as an excuse to get a 1 in 7 twist barrel instead.

Watch the video again and you can see my terrible flinch, as well as how low the barrel is pointing in the second shot (but I know for sure I was spot on with my sight; I can still see the circle of death and the center dot on its shoulder in my head).
 
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Nice hogs, I've hunted hogs twice in my lifetime.I killed them both with a 308Winny,both one shot kills. My guide told me sometimes hogs can be tough to kill,taking multiple hits.For the life of me,I just can't understand why anyone would use a 223 Remmy to hunt hogs ! Im not trying to be an azzhat,but I truely beleive hunting hogs with a 223,isnt ethical. JMHO
 
blackhawk45: I researched my choice before I used it, and it is widely accepted that the round I used is very adequate & ethical for hogs: 5.56 (not .223) with 70 grains Barnes TSX from Silver State Armory.

They only went 35 - 40 yards, so it was indeed an effective round.

Also, keep in mind that "hunting" on a preserve is more of a shoot than it is a hunt, so with very, very, very little (as in .000001%) chance that the hog would be lost for very long, I did not have to worry about only wounding it and having it suffer a long, slow, painful death.

Another issue I weighed is that I wanted to damage as little meat as possible since one of my main goals was a cooler full of delicious pork. A couple of years earlier I used a .30-30, and there was a lot more meat damage than I had expected, so this time I wanted to avoid that.

I hope that helps to explain / resolve why I chose to use a 5.56...:)
 
I have a couple questions. What kind of camera were you using. The footage looked pretty clear. I would like to get one for deer hunting (archery)

2nd question.....If you are sighted in for 100 yards and the hog was only 10 yards away wouldn't you have shot over it not under it if you
was technically PERFECT according to my red sight
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I would think and I have been wrong before but you aim higher for longer distance shots not lower.
The second shot, however, was technically PERFECT according to my red sight, but since they were SO close and the rifle was sighted in for 100 yards I actually shot low and missed as well. It just never occurred to me to compensate for such close proximity.
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Good, no GREAT, explanation of your choice. Meat damage is what led me to try the round on speed goats. Out here we hunt on open range or private land, frequently adjacent to posted land. Our animals could very easily get lost if not anchored.

Thanks also for taking my crabby post in stride. My neighbor pooped in my oatmeal that morning (read: broke a window in my pickup), and I was not in the best mood.

As an alternative to the 1:7 BBL, perhaps a 6.8 SPC upper would be a nice option. Not "more correct", just nice.

If you are shot in for 100 yards, do not adjust your hold at 10 yards. The difference in point of impact versus point of aim will be about -1.5". If you cannot reliably shoot a 2" group on a running target at 10yards, you (and the hog) will not notice the difference.
 
Deerhunter: I was using I-kam Extreme sunglasses...they are pretty cool. A few annoying things, though:

1) They auto shut off after 30 seconds of non recording

2) They take about 5 - 10 seconds after turning back on to be ready to record.

Between these 2 things you can miss a lot of recording opportunities; which is what happened to me and kept me from capturing the great hits on video.

3) They film a bit high at close range

4) High winds will distort everything; I am going to put foam on the microphones when I get a chance.

5) No external battery option, so once the batteries are dead you need to find an outlet or a laptop or an inverter plugged into your car cigarette lighter. THAT'S a huge negative. But they do hold up for about 2.5 - 3 hours or so.

They come with 4 gigs of internal memory which is great, and I picked up an 8 gig micro card as well for convenience.


And yes, you do aim higher for long distance, but if the target is extremely close then the round will impact low comapred to your sight. Think about it this way: If your sight is 2 inches higher than your barrel, and you place the barrel right on the target (touching it, for example), and place the crosshairs right in the center of the bullseye, the bullet will be 2 inches lower than the crosshairs. At least I think this is what happens; never actually tried it...

samsmix: No problem my brother, and sorry to hear about your window! And 6.8 is definitely another upper I've been thinking of getting too! So many toys, so little time... :D

Oh, and the pigs were at 10 feet, not 10 yards, so my barrel was pointing very low compared to my sight. I have not shot paper yet to see exactly how much, but from the video it's pretty significant...

And again, at least I think this is what happened...
 
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I shot this boar at Tioga in 2005. My guide was Karl and he took me directly where the hogs were. I had a running shot at approx 50 yards or so. My .308 knocked the pig down but he got up and ran about 50 feet. Then it toppled over and roared until a 22LR was fired into the brain.

I had a good time at Tioga. Food was great!

But Double D Ranch in southern Ohio has better hunting grounds and better lodging too.

Jack
 
mete

research:

high ridge hunting,

whispering hollows

heck, do a google on hunting preserves in pa.

But to me . . . whispering hollows looks very, very interesting.

Rmocarsky
 
Congratulations
Looks like you had a good hunt, I like your video, You did put the wounded hogs out of their misery quickly, You kept the meat, and did not waist.
And I dont care what anyone says, when I am at my most excited, sometimes, non cuss words just arent strong eneough.:D
 
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