Thread to flame states with bad gun laws
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I decided years ago thet with the Mass. gun laws I never need to go there. Don't need to support the states that are anti. Too bad because one place I'd like to go is Providence, R.I. and you can't get there without going thru Mass. My few dollars won't make any difference but it's principle.
I decided years ago thet with the Mass. gun laws I never need to go there. Don't need to support the states that are anti. Too bad because one place I'd like to go is Providence, R.I. and you can't get there without going thru Mass. My few dollars won't make any difference but it's principle.
Ohio?
A year ago I would have agreed. Today, take away Cinci, Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo and a few other urban areas (Kent - East Cleveland for eg.)and it's really one of the better states as far as gun laws go.
- No waiting period.
- Class III.
- Shall issue carry.
- Moderate assault weapon restrictions. The 30 round and above magazine capacity being classified as a "machine gun" is a bit weird - granted. The basic restricitions on a state level are the same as federal.
- No limitations on the number you can buy - no one a month nonsense.
- No statewide restrictions on actions or ammunition that are more than either common sense or federal that I can think of.
- Berea gun show has come back.
Yes - the carry law is flawed and yes there is presently a gun hysteria being fueled by the likes of Toby Hoover and Co. I believe given time it will straighten out though.
Honestly, I believe Ohio has made some very great strides in the right direction over the last 4 years. Most importantly, we haven't lost any ground. Some of the traditional "good states", like Arizona have lost ground or are fighting very hard to maintain ground.
A year ago I would have agreed. Today, take away Cinci, Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo and a few other urban areas (Kent - East Cleveland for eg.)and it's really one of the better states as far as gun laws go.
- No waiting period.
- Class III.
- Shall issue carry.
- Moderate assault weapon restrictions. The 30 round and above magazine capacity being classified as a "machine gun" is a bit weird - granted. The basic restricitions on a state level are the same as federal.
- No limitations on the number you can buy - no one a month nonsense.
- No statewide restrictions on actions or ammunition that are more than either common sense or federal that I can think of.
- Berea gun show has come back.
Yes - the carry law is flawed and yes there is presently a gun hysteria being fueled by the likes of Toby Hoover and Co. I believe given time it will straighten out though.
Honestly, I believe Ohio has made some very great strides in the right direction over the last 4 years. Most importantly, we haven't lost any ground. Some of the traditional "good states", like Arizona have lost ground or are fighting very hard to maintain ground.
Noo Yawk.....still has the AWB thanks to it's REPUBLICAN Governor :barf:
Not to mention it's incomprehensible handgun permit system.
And ballistic fingerprinting of handguns.
Then there is NYC, which does not recognize handgun permits from the rest of the state. And where rifles and shotguns have to be licensed!
Worst state by far.
Not to mention it's incomprehensible handgun permit system.
And ballistic fingerprinting of handguns.
Then there is NYC, which does not recognize handgun permits from the rest of the state. And where rifles and shotguns have to be licensed!
Worst state by far.
sleeping dog
New member
After looking at the red/blue county map of election results, I think the same could be said of almost any state.
Take away LA, SF, Sacramento, Oakland, and California would be a fine state with no more gun restrictions than most.
Take away Boston and Cambridge and MA might also be ok, not quite sure.
Take away Newark and all the NYC suburbs and NJ might also be reasonable.
Certainly if you took away Baltimore, and the DC suburbs, then MD would be a more gun-friendly place.
In fact, those states would be better in any number of ways.
Regards.
Black_Iron
Moderator
Obviously this is a problem of highly concentrated Democratic voters. :barf:
I still don't understand why all those African-Americans vote Democratic, almost as if they do it spontaneously and irrationally. :barf: The Democratic party would be nothing without them.
I know that Democratic leaders are highly corrupt at the local level and they're the ones who seem to get away with this crap, but they could "rape an altar boy" in the words of one commentator and still get elected.
What can we do to get rid of this problem. The corruption in NYC has ruined it for upstate New Yorkers, who outside of the NYC suburbs, actually voted for Bush. NYC is so population and intellectually dense that it can carry the whole state however for a Democrats.
I'm not to thrilled about President Bush making a BIG mistake in appointing a "moderate" like Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General.
:barf: 
Can we lobby or something to block this atrocious nomination? Didn't these old Blue-Bloods learn their lesson from appointing media-crowned "moderates"; untrustworthy behind-kissers like O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy? It's things like these which make me want to smack some sense into arrogant and complacent members of the party. (Even into President Bush, who seems very smug which leads to a dismal performance in say the public debates)
I'm shocked that this Administration could support the likes of Pataki and Schwarznegger, as they're completely useless and even detrimental.
Anyone with a brain, living in high-crime areas, is going to want to arm him or herself. I guess if they don't evolve, well...
Any ideas about what to do?
I still don't understand why all those African-Americans vote Democratic, almost as if they do it spontaneously and irrationally. :barf: The Democratic party would be nothing without them.
I know that Democratic leaders are highly corrupt at the local level and they're the ones who seem to get away with this crap, but they could "rape an altar boy" in the words of one commentator and still get elected.
What can we do to get rid of this problem. The corruption in NYC has ruined it for upstate New Yorkers, who outside of the NYC suburbs, actually voted for Bush. NYC is so population and intellectually dense that it can carry the whole state however for a Democrats.
I'm not to thrilled about President Bush making a BIG mistake in appointing a "moderate" like Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General.
:barf: Can we lobby or something to block this atrocious nomination? Didn't these old Blue-Bloods learn their lesson from appointing media-crowned "moderates"; untrustworthy behind-kissers like O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy? It's things like these which make me want to smack some sense into arrogant and complacent members of the party. (Even into President Bush, who seems very smug which leads to a dismal performance in say the public debates)I'm shocked that this Administration could support the likes of Pataki and Schwarznegger, as they're completely useless and even detrimental.
Anyone with a brain, living in high-crime areas, is going to want to arm him or herself. I guess if they don't evolve, well...
Any ideas about what to do?
being a lifelong californian i am used to all the stupid gun laws coming into play and i am expecting more. i buy everything i can when its available. i have a nice enough stockpile of weapons and ammo that if there ever was a total ban on everything i would be alright with it.
I am from Illinois, no CC at all, and no handguns in Chicago. I am still not sure how they pulled that one off, what part of "Right to bear arms" is so hard to understand.
Now that poor excuse of a life Richard Daley is trying to make it easier to sue gun manufacturers. I suppose that is easier than actually doing something about the huge murder rate in Chicago....;..
Now that poor excuse of a life Richard Daley is trying to make it easier to sue gun manufacturers. I suppose that is easier than actually doing something about the huge murder rate in Chicago....;..
Black_Iron
Moderator
Why can't we file a freakin' lawsuit? Do something! Anything to repeal these unconstitutional laws!
What makes Chicago so special from the rest of the country?
What makes Chicago so special from the rest of the country?
What it Takes to Buy in CA
Below is a response to an email request from a colleague regarding the purchase of firearms in CA, and there are some additional restrictions not mentioned like the one gun a month BS:
Hi Bob,
You're right! Gun dealers in CA are being literally DRIVEN out of business with all the laws and regulations and paperwork. However, if you want to buy the Bearcat, the first thing I would do is see the value in the pricing guide you have (if it's there, the gun may be too new). Then visit your local dealer like Turner's or Grant Boys and take a "hands on" look at it. The dealer will not haggle on new guns. In order to purchase the piece you must have the following documents on your person:
1) Your CA Driver's License (for CA "Insta Check" to see if you are a prohibited person)
2) Your CA DOJ Handgun Safety Certificate
3) Your Auto Registration or a utility bill (for proof of residency)
4) Evidence of a CA DOJ approved storage container (safe or handgun safe)
a. your receipt of purchase of a safe (copy) is sufficient.
b. in lieu of the receipt you can sign an affidavit attesting under penalty of perjury that you have a CA approved storage container (CA approves almost all the current gun safe brands).
c. if you don't have an "approved storage container" you will be charged for and provided a locking device to disable the gun when not in use (about $15).
5) You will then be asked to fill out a DROS form (Dealer Record of Sale for $25) with a bunch of questions for the state of CA attesting to your good character and that you don't beat up women. You will sign and date the form and give your right thumb print on the back.
6) You will then be asked to fill out a Federal (BATFE) form 4473 again attesting to your good character and that you are not a prohibited person.
7) Cash or credit card to effect the purchase (many shops charge 3% more for credit card purchases).
8) The dealer will attach the necessary paperwork to your firearm and provide you with your receipt of purchase and DROS with your pickup date noted on it. The 10 day wait is calculated in calendar days and the cutoff is at noon on the purchase date. In other words, if you purchase in the morning, your pickup date will be 10 calendar days from that date. If you purchase in the afternoon, your 10 day wait doesn't begin until the next calendar day. Also, if you purchased the gun at 11:00 a.m., on the tenth day you may not pick up your purchase until 11:00 a.m. or after. If you come in to get it at 9:00 a.m., the dealer will make you wait 2 hours before he will release it to you.
9) The dealer will store your purchase during the 10 days. However, be advised, the dealer may charge "storage fees" daily beginning on day 11 until you pick up your purchase (some do, some don't). If you leave your purchase at the dealer for more than 30 days, you will have to undergo and pay for a completely new DROS of the firearm.
For items 1 through 3, I would also bring a facsimile copy of each document. The dealer will need it for his file on your purchase.
Hope this helps.
p.s. CA absolutely sucks with respect to the sale and transfer of firearms!
Below is a response to an email request from a colleague regarding the purchase of firearms in CA, and there are some additional restrictions not mentioned like the one gun a month BS:
Hi Bob,
You're right! Gun dealers in CA are being literally DRIVEN out of business with all the laws and regulations and paperwork. However, if you want to buy the Bearcat, the first thing I would do is see the value in the pricing guide you have (if it's there, the gun may be too new). Then visit your local dealer like Turner's or Grant Boys and take a "hands on" look at it. The dealer will not haggle on new guns. In order to purchase the piece you must have the following documents on your person:
1) Your CA Driver's License (for CA "Insta Check" to see if you are a prohibited person)
2) Your CA DOJ Handgun Safety Certificate
3) Your Auto Registration or a utility bill (for proof of residency)
4) Evidence of a CA DOJ approved storage container (safe or handgun safe)
a. your receipt of purchase of a safe (copy) is sufficient.
b. in lieu of the receipt you can sign an affidavit attesting under penalty of perjury that you have a CA approved storage container (CA approves almost all the current gun safe brands).
c. if you don't have an "approved storage container" you will be charged for and provided a locking device to disable the gun when not in use (about $15).
5) You will then be asked to fill out a DROS form (Dealer Record of Sale for $25) with a bunch of questions for the state of CA attesting to your good character and that you don't beat up women. You will sign and date the form and give your right thumb print on the back.
6) You will then be asked to fill out a Federal (BATFE) form 4473 again attesting to your good character and that you are not a prohibited person.
7) Cash or credit card to effect the purchase (many shops charge 3% more for credit card purchases).
8) The dealer will attach the necessary paperwork to your firearm and provide you with your receipt of purchase and DROS with your pickup date noted on it. The 10 day wait is calculated in calendar days and the cutoff is at noon on the purchase date. In other words, if you purchase in the morning, your pickup date will be 10 calendar days from that date. If you purchase in the afternoon, your 10 day wait doesn't begin until the next calendar day. Also, if you purchased the gun at 11:00 a.m., on the tenth day you may not pick up your purchase until 11:00 a.m. or after. If you come in to get it at 9:00 a.m., the dealer will make you wait 2 hours before he will release it to you.
9) The dealer will store your purchase during the 10 days. However, be advised, the dealer may charge "storage fees" daily beginning on day 11 until you pick up your purchase (some do, some don't). If you leave your purchase at the dealer for more than 30 days, you will have to undergo and pay for a completely new DROS of the firearm.
For items 1 through 3, I would also bring a facsimile copy of each document. The dealer will need it for his file on your purchase.
Hope this helps.
p.s. CA absolutely sucks with respect to the sale and transfer of firearms!
Edward429451
Moderator
Any state that'll give you a CCW permit and then list everywhere you can't carry...Public gatherings, school zones, public buildings, where alchohol is served...it doesn't make sense. If you're clean enough to get a permit in the first place, there should be no restrictions. The way the laws read, you can't carry any place at all, If they choose to invoke a subsection on you.
More and more I'm hearing about permit holders getting in trouble anyway after having tried to do the right thing and getting the unconstitutional permit. It almost seems like you have more rights if you DO NOT have the permit!
More and more I'm hearing about permit holders getting in trouble anyway after having tried to do the right thing and getting the unconstitutional permit. It almost seems like you have more rights if you DO NOT have the permit!
NSO_w/_SIG
New member
Lets just say this about D.C.
The citizens there are so smart they re-elected Marion Barry in to office again this past election, granted it wasn't mayor but he won with like 95% of the vote. Now they keep law abiding citizens from having handguns but the murder rate is always one of the top in the nation. Makes a lot of sense. One of the reasons I haven't been there in 20 yrs although I live 40 mins. away.
The citizens there are so smart they re-elected Marion Barry in to office again this past election, granted it wasn't mayor but he won with like 95% of the vote. Now they keep law abiding citizens from having handguns but the murder rate is always one of the top in the nation. Makes a lot of sense. One of the reasons I haven't been there in 20 yrs although I live 40 mins. away.
You hit the nail on the head here. This is actually a Marxist philosphy (listen before jumping to conclusions here). Marx called it (god, going from memory) social distraction, ie, where instead of solving a real issue, focus is diverted away to a less important issue.
Marx meant it slightly different, his thoughts was that this was used to keep the social norm... what we are implying here is only slightly different. Rather than actually enforce more effective methods of reducing crime, the "blame" is shifted away from the individual to a "big bad gun company". This way very little can actually be done towards solving the problem without looking inadequte to the voting public.
This unfortently is what 99 percent of politics is (imo).
W. Ma.
Confirmed:
There has been talk in western MA of secession for thirty years that I can
remember. It got particularly heated back in the late 70's to early 80's
when the pols in Bahstan wanted to divert the Connecticut river into the
quabbin reservior (the Quabbin is a whole nother story).
I don't know if the plans were to cut MA at the eastern or western borders
of Worcester county (which bisects MA int west/east regions), but it would
be ridiculously easy to do.
The point is, we don't really consider ourselves part of the commie entity
that is .ma
Peet
Confirmed:
There has been talk in western MA of secession for thirty years that I can
remember. It got particularly heated back in the late 70's to early 80's
when the pols in Bahstan wanted to divert the Connecticut river into the
quabbin reservior (the Quabbin is a whole nother story).
I don't know if the plans were to cut MA at the eastern or western borders
of Worcester county (which bisects MA int west/east regions), but it would
be ridiculously easy to do.
The point is, we don't really consider ourselves part of the commie entity
that is .ma
Peet