This should clear up any doubts about S&W

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Will Beararms

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I had the privilege of speaking with a Gentleman who owns a gun shop in North Texas this week. He used to be an authorized S&W Repair center. WEEKS BEFORE the agreement was reached, he along with most other Repair Centers were informed they would no longer be serving in this capacity.

This Businessman wrote back to S&W askingg them what he was supposed to do with the $53,000.00 worth of spare parts he had fiathfully inventoried over the years. They repsonded by telling him to get lost.

I was beginning to soften a bit on S&W due to the tactics of the Brown Shirts----no longer.

If anyone has further questions, I will be happy to provide them with more details.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
Cuerno de Chivo, that's a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? Does it really take "Santa Claus" not to screw your business partners?
They are a business, true. And they don't technically owe the guy anything, legally speaking. But if this is true, then it was a dirty trick for anybody to pull. It was dishonorable.
 
Don, I agree. In most such situations, the franchisor or factory (in this case) would terminate the relationship with some reasonable provisions regarding timing, buying back inventory, customer referrals, etc. It's called 'good business'. Being an *sshole is not conducive to sleeping well or future business success, IMHO.

Regards from AZ
 
Greetings,

A business that orders $53,000 worth of inventory from a company in reliance on its status as an authorized repair center for that company has certain contractual (legal) rights. It's not just dishonorable, it's a breach of an enforcable implied contract.

Smith and Wesson can and should be made to buy back its parts from those authorized service centers who have their status terminated for S&W's convenience.

Regards,

Ledbetter, Esq.
 
Each side has abide by a contract. Either side asking for more than that, is asking for charity.

I would like to see some facts. The doublecross, if any, might be from the repair center(s).
 
Facts? Call the owner of Lone Star Guns in Plano, Texas and ask him for yourself.

The 53K in parts had accumulated over time. The manner in which this was done is proof that S&W calculated cutting the throats of their repair centers and the American Public in exchange for a deal with the Feds.

Yes, Smith and Wesson is not a Santa Claus and neither should we be one either. I am delighted to know that their sales are down and I long to see the day when they file bankruptcy.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
That idiot in charge of S&W must be intentionally trying to put them out of business so they can re-org, buy the company back and start running it like it should be.

Either that or he's a back-stabbing idiot-traitor.
 
I have said it before, and I'll say it again.
Smith and Wesson must DIE!!!!

Note to the FBI Agent who WILL read this because it set off an alarm at Carnivore HQ.: Mr's Smith and Wesson have been dead for a long time. This is a company not a person, so change channels, and go back to sleep!! ;)

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"

[This message has been edited by denfoote (edited August 02, 2000).]
 
still sounds like a cry baby to me. i ain't going to call plano to find out.

"manner in which this was done" this hasn't been addressed. for all i know there were just too many repair centers for the market to bear or they didn't do good work. i still would like to see if there was an actual breech of contract by either side.
 
Gary,

Promissory estoppel, detrimental reliance, Uniform Commercial Code, unfair business practices, conspiracy, RICO, treason . . . . (getting carried away now)

Ledbetter
 
i ain't going to call plano to find out.
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i still would like to see if there was an actual breech of contract by either side.

Well then, just call them and...oh, right, I see...
 
I, also, have been patronizing a gentleman who is a local S&W Authorized Repair Center. I've been to the man's house where he does his work. He has thousands of dollars worth of parts. Not to have parts on hand would result in lengthy delays for routine repairs.

I had some trigger work done on my police trade-in S&W 4006, and he did a very nice job. He also glass beaded the matte surfaces and re-cut some damaged checkering at no cost to me! The gun looks like brand new now.

Along with the bill (quite reasonable) came a recommendation that I think about an extractor replacement. It wasn't 'bad' yet, but was worn. He didn't push it. I suppose I should take him up on it just so I have one before they become unobtainable!

Anyway, he and I sat for a while after our business was transacted and shot the bull for a while. This was a few weeks after the S&W 'agreement.' He had a copy of the agreement and we went over it point by point.

He stated that there was 'No way' he could sign the agreement. He was going to have to stop being a S&W dealer and Repair Center. He was incredulous that S&W would do such a thing. The S&W agreement must be co-signed by all S&W distributors, dealers, repair centers, etc. Supposedly, he can't even order parts to do repairs on customers guns without signing the agreement.

Many years ago he got into S&Ws exclusively since he thought they were a stable company and would be around forever.

Who would have thought?


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Remember, just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
 
Well, with any luck, S&W will go on the auction block, and be snapped up by someone who's into shooting...

Are there any publically held firearms companies? I wouldn't mind buying some stock...
 
Bogie,

That's a good question. I'd also like to know which firearm companies are American owned. Does anybody know where I can find that info?

And if you haven't sold your S&W stock, sell now or loose it all. It's got to be going in the red. I read last month (in Guns & Ammo I think) that S&W has laid off a good portion of their employees. That IS too bad.

poo poo S&W
 
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Are there any publically held firearms companies? I wouldn't mind buying some stock...
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Sturm Ruger & Company



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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
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