THIS is what's wrong in this country...

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WAGCEVP

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dang it folks, THIS is what's wrong in this country....

* As of 1992, for about every 14 violent crimes (murder, rape, etc…) committed in the United States, ONE person is sentenced to prison. (62) .........

NOT the availability of firearms!

ONE out of 14 violent criminals are committed to prison, so what happens to the other 13? Set back out on the street to prey on innocent unarmed victims!
 
Keep in mind that most goblins are repeat offenders. That cuts down on the ratio, not that it makes anything better in the least. Even if it was a two to one ratio, that's still WAY too friggin' few convictions. Then throw in light jail sentences, parole, and overturned verdicts and it gets downright scary. :eek:


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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
That's still better than colombia or south africa.In colombia less than 2% of all violent crimes lead to a conviction.I read that in south africa less than 15% of murders lead to a conviction.
 
During the mid to late 70's when I was stationed at Ft. Hood, TX with the Military Police we apprehended an armed robber on post right after a robbery he had just commited. During the next few days the CID had him in a line up and was identified as the robber by over 50 separate victims of an armed robbery.
 
Yet the same people who argue to place further restrictions on gun ownership are often the first to complain about the rise in the prison population when we try to lock these sociopaths up. :confused:
 
There's actually several factors at work here making those numbers seem high. Most prevalent is the one mentioned, namely that a small minority of people commit almost all violent crime. Some are quite good at it, too, which means that they rarely get caught. Then there are prosecutorial foul-ups, botched evidence, etc. Then there are cases where victims are afraid to talk.

Add it all up and you get a heckuva ratio. By the way, the recent drop in crime in this country is largely due to the fact that we now incarcerate so many people who are highly likely to engage in violent crime (and CCW).
 
Payette Jack,

While both CCW and stiffer sentencing have made contributions to the lower crime rate, the single biggest factor has to be the good economy.

This is a classic macro-economic influence- when everyone who wants a job can get one, the need for criminal activity to survive is not necessary. Lets face it, a crack addicted hooker could get a real job right now.

Madkiwi
 
I beg to differ with the above post.

First of all, maybe you have been listening to the media charade too much. Are you sure our economy is so good? My friend who is a very highly qualified computer tech cannot find a job right now. That is a very hot industry, and always has had lots of jobs available. If he cant find a job, then he must not be alone.

Second, your theory is assuming that criminals only commit rape and murder because they can't find good jobs. Sorry, but I don't buy that. These people that commit these crimes, would not want a job if you gave it to them. They are criminals because they have no interest in working for anything. They rob people because they are too lazy to show up to real job, and robbing people is quick cash. Furthermore, rape and murder have little to do with getting a job. A rapist and a murderer are still a rapist and a murderer, whether or not they have a weekly income. I do not see the job situation having any effect on the kind of people that are repeat offenders, just like I dont't see new laws going into effect stopping them from doing crime. These people don't care about laws, and they don't care about jobs, or they would not be repeat offender violent criminals.
 
I'm sorry, I did not say "criminals only commit rape and murder because they can't find good jobs". You are jumping to a conclusion that my post did not hint at. I am saying that OVERALL crime is influenced by the economy. I said nothing about rape and murder.

"Violent crimes" include violent robbery and muggings. These are a by-product of the desired aim- steal stuff.

The kinds of dramatic deviant behavior you refer to- murder and rape- are not always devoid of economic ties. A significant number of "acquaintance" murders have money at their root cause- unemployed and depressed people sometimes kill their spouses and families. Some murders occur because a robbery "goes bad". Some rapes are oppurtunistic, committed during the course of another crime.

You have latched onto a career scumbag profile to argue that I am full of it, but that only works if ALL crime is caused by lazy, sadistic, repeat criminals. Every criminal starts somewhere, and if other prospects are good, some people who could turn to crime to survive won't. Once people pick up good societal habits (like discovering the satisfaction and pride of working for a living) they might never imagine crime as an income source.

Is the economy that good? I don't know, but Congress just approved a big increase in H1 visas, and the unemployment rate is the lowest in a generation. My fiance was out of work for 5 months too, (has an M.S.) so I do know what you are referring too. But I'm referring to the big picture, which still seems ok.

Madkiwi
 
This is deviating from WAGCEVP's original post but I have to question the state of the economy as well.
The media is telling us that it is good but how many do we actually know that are doing that well? Most individuals will tell you they are not doing as well as the media figures would suggest.
Unemployment figures have always been deceptive and now more so than ever. Once a persons eligibility for benefits is exhausted they are no longer considered unempleyed according to the official figures. They are taken off of the benefit rolls but remain unemployed. Another growing trend in this country is people being forced to except jobs which pay considerably less. They are considered employed and do not affect the figures but their standard of living is much lower and contirbution to the economy is substantually less.
I personally believe our supposed booming economy of yet another myth of the liberal media to encourage voters to support the dem's.

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
The key to this "good economy" is growth. Wherever there was growth, money was being made. Tech stocks including computer and communications have been in the news, but new house construction, home improvements, the auto industry, etc have been booming as well.

If you've invested in those areas, or are working in them, you did well. If you stayed at your job as a reporter or auto mechanic, things probably haven't changed for you.

All of the growth was being funded off of cheap loans thanks to Alan Geenspan's low interest rates, and the vast (massive, HUGE) expenditure of people and companies creating an Internet presence.

Now interest rates are moderate and most companies are already on the 'Net. The economy is slowing down.

It's all in the deltas.

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There are two types of men: those with guns, and those at their mercy.
 
In my area, (sav ga) the economy is so good it's hard for people to find employees. We've had quite a few murders and drivebys this year, almost all in housing projects. Almost all the victims were housing project residents. This is the same town with the "zero tolerence" policy that got that boy scout suspended. A teacher that had a problem with an unruly class has recently been suspended also. That's a long story.
 
The American Spectator has an article called "Why the Death Penalty Works". The thrust of the article is that if criminals are made to believe that the law WILL be used to protect society then they ARE deterred from crime. Duh.
 
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