I originally posted this to a Libertarian board, but I'm so dang full of myself I thought I'd post here as well.
Basically, I started a thread with the premise that the U.S. will never even remotely resemble a Libertarian nation and was curious as to whether there had ever been a "Libertarian Coup." I was informed that wasn't the "libertarian way."
This was my rant on how "we" need a good dose of Reality:
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Coinneach:
I wasn't exactly "sneering" at Libertarian ideals. Hope you didn't get the wrong idea.
Let me just say that above all, I consider myself a Cynical Realist. Idealism is great, but at some level you've got to "get down to brass tacks" no matter what the endeavor. If you want to advance the Libertarian agenda, you've got to deal with the realities of the situation. Did you ever see DeNiro in "Deerslayer" or "Deerhunter" (can't remember right now) when the guys go out hunting and the goofy one wants to borrow his extra boots, and DeNiro's character holds up a bullet and says "This is this" to illustrate the point that the guy is an idiot? My whole outlook is very much like that. Reality is what it is. You can acknolwedge it or not, but it remains the same regardless of your outlook. "THIS IS THIS" means that Reality is a Bitch, and if you don't bring your boots, your feet will be cold and wet. Period. DeNiro is doing the guy a favor by subjecting him to the realities of the situation because allowing him to borrow his boots would mean he would not have to confront Reality.
That's kind of where I'm at. I'd love to see a Libertarian form of gubmint somewhere in the world. I just think someone needs to hold up a bullet and convince all freedom-minded folks that "This is This." So here goes: The U.S. will slide further toward Socialism and Globalization. We can bitch and piss and moan until our ears bleed. We can write to Congress until we run out of paper and nothing is going to change that. The mechanisms behind the Globalist-Socialist movement are mega-powerful and well established. I quit the Republipukes for the very reason that they are playing the Globalization/Monopolization of Power/Wealth game the same as the Democraps, just from a slightly different angle. The deck is stacked against us and there will be no admission of opposing points of view, the marketplace of ideas is closed.
Anyone seen the news about the "bipartisan" support of "normalizing" trade relations with the world's most corrupt, totalitarian regime that ACTIVELY considers the U.S. to be an enemy? What possible rationale can Congress have for normalizing trade relations with China? They threatened us with Nukes if we stood in the way of thier conquest of Taiwan just 18 months ago! You don't have to dig too deep to uncover the stench of the NWO. How about that "Conservative Republican" Orrin Hatch that added a provision to the Methamphetamine Bill that would allow Search Warrants to be executed without notification? How in the world can anyone with even a fleeting understanding of the Constitution even breathe a hint of a law like that? And as I'm sure your all aware, these are just the "outrages de jour." The answers are simple, really, but even among the Freedom-Minded we rarely have the stuff required to confront Reality. We Hum and Haw around the subject and write to indifferent "representatives" and sound off on the 'net and still continue to slide downhill because we can't bring ourselves to face the ultimate realities. We keep our ARs locked and loaded for JBTs that will never come and hope against hope that our kids will still have the ability to obtain the same kind of weaponry, knowing full well that they won't.
Having said all that, its great to study Socialists of all persuasions (Commies, Pinkos, "Liberals", Social Democrats) because as a group they have found more ways to skin the proverbial cat than any other political persuasion. From outright intimidation and force (Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin) to slowly advancing their agenda by creating a "dependent class" (Roosevelt, Johnson) to subtle coersion through "Political Correctness," (too many to list) they are advancing slowly but surely on every front. If you think its a completely uncoordinated effort, you're deluding yourself.
So the Realist in me says "What Now?" Its great that Libertarians are willing to stand up to tyrrany and defend from JBTs kicking in your door. Too bad it will never happen. If it did, the whole thing could be over in a week and we'd all be better off. The Pinkos aren't stupid, however and nobody is coming to kick in your door. There will be no blue helmets patrolling America's streets. They know those tactics won't work in the U.S. (not true of other countries) so they use a different tactic. Same end result however. (As a side note, ever wonder why there's so little condemnation of Leftist regimes by the "Liberals" in this country? They'll jump all over Right-Wing dictators and "expose" the human rights abuses, but you rarely hear about the equally despicable Left-Wing dictators).
Reality is what it is. You play the hand your dealt. You stretch those cliche's to the limit. Here's what we've got:
1) We are headed toward Globalist Socialism. Inevitable as the tide. Lots of us would like to stop it, but it ain't happening. Like the tide, the movement advances on all fronts and it is powerful. I can name a couple of our reps that have any interest in stopping it, Ron Paul, Helen Chenowith, then the list gets real thin.
2) Most people don't want freedom. They are as passive and sheep-like as can be. True freedom would paralyze most of them. We have limited ability to even promote our view and when we are succesful, the NWO shuts it down (ever hear of that Internet University that was shut down recently for teaching people the truth about centralized banking?)
3) The minority of us that would relish a truly free condition is small. We will never affect serious change in the U.S.
4) Resources are limited for us as it is. Continuing the strategy of trying to elect a Libertarian to the local water board is, no offense intended, pathetic.
Options:
1) Give up.
2) Hide your guns in the ground and hope someone, someday will be able to make use of them. This scenario is highly unlikely given the continued monopoly of indoctrination that passes for education these days.
3) Continue to waste resources and efforts trying to stem the inevitable tide.
4) Start a revolution. NWO propoganda machine would shred you because you would have to resort to terrorism. Again, most people, even Freedom-loving folks, would balk.
5) Move on. Find a new place to be. Cut your losses and quit squandering resources that could be used more wisely. That floating ship thing sounds good, only I have already spent 4 years in the Navy and don't have any intention of spending any more time at sea.
Of those options, #5 seems the most palatable and realistic, IMHO. When, where, how, by force or by persuasion, these are the only questions. That's why I am interested in hearing about any Libertarians who have attempted a coup. Now I find out that isn't the "libertarian way." Well, once again, Reality is a Bitch. You'll have to compromise those principles of yours if you want to live Free. We'll have to take over some third-world backwater and storm the castle or we'll have to hold a revolution here in the U.S. (see above) or we'll have to suck it up and piss and moan while we watch all vestiges of freedom get reduced to nothing.
This is This.
Basically, I started a thread with the premise that the U.S. will never even remotely resemble a Libertarian nation and was curious as to whether there had ever been a "Libertarian Coup." I was informed that wasn't the "libertarian way."
This was my rant on how "we" need a good dose of Reality:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Coinneach:
I wasn't exactly "sneering" at Libertarian ideals. Hope you didn't get the wrong idea.
Let me just say that above all, I consider myself a Cynical Realist. Idealism is great, but at some level you've got to "get down to brass tacks" no matter what the endeavor. If you want to advance the Libertarian agenda, you've got to deal with the realities of the situation. Did you ever see DeNiro in "Deerslayer" or "Deerhunter" (can't remember right now) when the guys go out hunting and the goofy one wants to borrow his extra boots, and DeNiro's character holds up a bullet and says "This is this" to illustrate the point that the guy is an idiot? My whole outlook is very much like that. Reality is what it is. You can acknolwedge it or not, but it remains the same regardless of your outlook. "THIS IS THIS" means that Reality is a Bitch, and if you don't bring your boots, your feet will be cold and wet. Period. DeNiro is doing the guy a favor by subjecting him to the realities of the situation because allowing him to borrow his boots would mean he would not have to confront Reality.
That's kind of where I'm at. I'd love to see a Libertarian form of gubmint somewhere in the world. I just think someone needs to hold up a bullet and convince all freedom-minded folks that "This is This." So here goes: The U.S. will slide further toward Socialism and Globalization. We can bitch and piss and moan until our ears bleed. We can write to Congress until we run out of paper and nothing is going to change that. The mechanisms behind the Globalist-Socialist movement are mega-powerful and well established. I quit the Republipukes for the very reason that they are playing the Globalization/Monopolization of Power/Wealth game the same as the Democraps, just from a slightly different angle. The deck is stacked against us and there will be no admission of opposing points of view, the marketplace of ideas is closed.
Anyone seen the news about the "bipartisan" support of "normalizing" trade relations with the world's most corrupt, totalitarian regime that ACTIVELY considers the U.S. to be an enemy? What possible rationale can Congress have for normalizing trade relations with China? They threatened us with Nukes if we stood in the way of thier conquest of Taiwan just 18 months ago! You don't have to dig too deep to uncover the stench of the NWO. How about that "Conservative Republican" Orrin Hatch that added a provision to the Methamphetamine Bill that would allow Search Warrants to be executed without notification? How in the world can anyone with even a fleeting understanding of the Constitution even breathe a hint of a law like that? And as I'm sure your all aware, these are just the "outrages de jour." The answers are simple, really, but even among the Freedom-Minded we rarely have the stuff required to confront Reality. We Hum and Haw around the subject and write to indifferent "representatives" and sound off on the 'net and still continue to slide downhill because we can't bring ourselves to face the ultimate realities. We keep our ARs locked and loaded for JBTs that will never come and hope against hope that our kids will still have the ability to obtain the same kind of weaponry, knowing full well that they won't.
Having said all that, its great to study Socialists of all persuasions (Commies, Pinkos, "Liberals", Social Democrats) because as a group they have found more ways to skin the proverbial cat than any other political persuasion. From outright intimidation and force (Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin) to slowly advancing their agenda by creating a "dependent class" (Roosevelt, Johnson) to subtle coersion through "Political Correctness," (too many to list) they are advancing slowly but surely on every front. If you think its a completely uncoordinated effort, you're deluding yourself.
So the Realist in me says "What Now?" Its great that Libertarians are willing to stand up to tyrrany and defend from JBTs kicking in your door. Too bad it will never happen. If it did, the whole thing could be over in a week and we'd all be better off. The Pinkos aren't stupid, however and nobody is coming to kick in your door. There will be no blue helmets patrolling America's streets. They know those tactics won't work in the U.S. (not true of other countries) so they use a different tactic. Same end result however. (As a side note, ever wonder why there's so little condemnation of Leftist regimes by the "Liberals" in this country? They'll jump all over Right-Wing dictators and "expose" the human rights abuses, but you rarely hear about the equally despicable Left-Wing dictators).
Reality is what it is. You play the hand your dealt. You stretch those cliche's to the limit. Here's what we've got:
1) We are headed toward Globalist Socialism. Inevitable as the tide. Lots of us would like to stop it, but it ain't happening. Like the tide, the movement advances on all fronts and it is powerful. I can name a couple of our reps that have any interest in stopping it, Ron Paul, Helen Chenowith, then the list gets real thin.
2) Most people don't want freedom. They are as passive and sheep-like as can be. True freedom would paralyze most of them. We have limited ability to even promote our view and when we are succesful, the NWO shuts it down (ever hear of that Internet University that was shut down recently for teaching people the truth about centralized banking?)
3) The minority of us that would relish a truly free condition is small. We will never affect serious change in the U.S.
4) Resources are limited for us as it is. Continuing the strategy of trying to elect a Libertarian to the local water board is, no offense intended, pathetic.
Options:
1) Give up.
2) Hide your guns in the ground and hope someone, someday will be able to make use of them. This scenario is highly unlikely given the continued monopoly of indoctrination that passes for education these days.
3) Continue to waste resources and efforts trying to stem the inevitable tide.
4) Start a revolution. NWO propoganda machine would shred you because you would have to resort to terrorism. Again, most people, even Freedom-loving folks, would balk.
5) Move on. Find a new place to be. Cut your losses and quit squandering resources that could be used more wisely. That floating ship thing sounds good, only I have already spent 4 years in the Navy and don't have any intention of spending any more time at sea.
Of those options, #5 seems the most palatable and realistic, IMHO. When, where, how, by force or by persuasion, these are the only questions. That's why I am interested in hearing about any Libertarians who have attempted a coup. Now I find out that isn't the "libertarian way." Well, once again, Reality is a Bitch. You'll have to compromise those principles of yours if you want to live Free. We'll have to take over some third-world backwater and storm the castle or we'll have to hold a revolution here in the U.S. (see above) or we'll have to suck it up and piss and moan while we watch all vestiges of freedom get reduced to nothing.
This is This.
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