This is the complete HCI Agenda for the next five years,

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robnoel

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The below was passed to me as legit and posted here for educational
purposes.  The anti-gun organization(s) will never admit it due to the
extreme constitutional violations mentioned in their list, but I don't think
the constitution is very highly respected within their ranks!
"HCI" is an abbreviation for Handgun Control Incorporated
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This is the complete HCI Agenda for the next five years, minus the cover.
This document is marked confidential on each page it was transcribed from.

[ All 11 pages this was transcribed from are marked  CONFIDENTIAL by
Handgun Control Incorporated ]
After the meeting, the following ideas were the result of a brainstorming
session to guide the focus of gun control initiatives over the next five years.
These may not be politically feasible ideas for 1999, but we are confident
that with continued pressure we can achieve most if not all of these goals
within the next five years. The following list is condensed from our
meeting in which we considered the best ideas for public safety
expansion. The time is right for action.
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Meadows/7512/HCI.html
 
Rob, This is very interesting. I'm going to pass this along to some of my It ain't gonna happen friends. I just will have to write a letter to hci inc. and let them know exactly what I think of their little Communist plot.
I really hate to read stuff like this.
But we are all going to have to get together at the polls,with the NRA and the SRA group and make sure these dreams of theirs don't come true. These people are just plain sick.

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When a similar document surfaced a couple of years ago, I called HCI and asked about its authenticity. They denied that it was legitimate or that it actually reflected their agenda. But when I asked specifically what parts were false and not part of their agenda, they simply kept saying, "It is not our document".

I then said, "Forget the document. Does HCI support censorship of gun magazines? "It is not our document."

"Does HCI support a ban on military clothing?" "It is not our document."

"Does HCI support Federal gun registration?" "It is not our document."

Does anyone see a pattern of denial that does not deny? Even those programs which they have publicly and openly supported are not admitted, just "It is not our document."

Jim
 
Saw something very similar to this same agenda in ~'93 or so - was Brady II at the time - even before Brady I since they were so sure on the 1st's success. I have no doubt that HCI, et ilk have this in mind for us (& more) ...

But ...

I do suspect the authenticity due to somewhat conflicting statements (who says they have to be linear in their thinking?) & too, the quite a few mis-spelled words, etc. Seems if nothing else, they would've run a spell-check prior to internal release.

Have no doubt in my mind as to the overall plan for what's in store for us, but I'm somewhat suspect to this particular document's authenticity re originating from an internal HCI think-tank (now, there's an oxymoron for ya ;))
 
Why does this one keep popping up? I've seen this exact same document, always puporting to be "HCI's 5 year plan", for the last six years. Matter-of-fact, it ran in Guns and Ammo magazine several years ago.

While I have no doubt that HCI plans all of this and more, if we keep waving around a document which has been proven to be false those parties who are neutral on the gun control issue (and whose votes we desperately need) are going to see us as liars. This is not going to help our cause any.

Sigh.

LawDog
 
Lawdog.....Please note the legal statement:

"posted here for educational
purposes"

True or not this is the anti-gun agenda.....
 
THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAKE.

Not to say that this group doesn't want to eliminate most, if not all, civilian handgun ownership, but this document is a crude fabrication. Read it, and it's apparent how stupid a fake it is. Ban camo clothing. Oh, please. This makes gunowners look paranoid. Yes, it is a fake, but it continues to float around.

Their actual published goals are:

1) Slow down the manufacture and availablity of handguns.

2) Register all handguns.

3) Make possession of handguns and their ammunition illegal, except for cops, the military, and "liscensed collectors and members of pistol clubs".

I have some doubts about allowing collectors and target shooters to own pistols, but that's what they've said. Fight them, but don't destroy our credibity with fakes.

P.S. The Hitler gun registration quote is fake too. Not that he didn't disarm Jews and conquered peoples, but that particualar quote is a fabrication.
 
Regardless if this is a fake or not, if you think that these people are above banning camo clothing etc, then you are wrong. Look as Oz where they are banning even the mention of "combat" and "knife" in the same sentence. Any knife that is not specifically made for utility is being banned from the State, and advertisers cannot even mention knives as weapons etc. This is happening NOW, at it is just the beginning there. Don't think for a second that these people are logical or reasonable enough to stop at banning guns. They will ban anything that has any remote link with the gun culture or the military, except for military use. It sounds so absurd that they would ban camo clothing and combat boots, but these people are NOT reasonable, they are fanatical about destroying every element of the "gun culture".
 
That might be so. But neither is it logical or reasonable for persons advocating gun rights to create lies from whole cloth. And to spread them around, when the party knows they are false, does an incredible diservice to our views. It makes us look like paranoid liars, who have no real information to share, so we must make it up.

Of course, robnoel, I'm not saying that you did anything wrong by posting it unknowingly. It's good to get this stuff cleared up.
 
I know, Rob, and please don't think my post was a slap at you.

It's just that I have a mental image of Sarah Brady standing up and waving that document at a group of Senators and screeching, "How can you believe anything the gun lobby says? We have proved this is a fabrication, and the keep spreading it around! What else are they lying about?"

Sigh.

LawDog
 
BTR, I'm with you. This had some pretty glaring points that point to fabrication. Again, I don't doubt that these ideas will probably come to pass, but I don't think this originated at HCI inc. I wonder if the people who get involved in these organizations ever miss having a "pair." I like my life free, and it seems that the more they try, the more I buy. I believe the future will be pretty bleak, and so I like to stock up now. Thank God for Y2K paranoia, because I'm now able to pick up stuff for 1/2 price!
 
The remark about camo clothing strikes a chord. Every time the UK media refers to British shooters they always strive to mention wearing camo clothing as evidence that shooters have a Rambo mentality. Its got to the point where there is a de facto ban on any military clothing at UK ranges.

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"Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.") -
Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD).
 
You guys are arguing about weather the document is false or not. Who gives a rodent's hind quarters, weather it is false or true??? You miss the whole point!!!!
In Kal, RIGHT NOW--- Jan 10, 2000 ,the Kal
Socialist Legislature are talking about total firearm registeration and Licensing of gun owners. And ,The license is FOR ONE YEAR--
RENEWABLE EACH YEAR AT A HIGHER FEE.

ONCE THIS HAPPENS,they can PRICE THE FIREARMS COMMUNITY OUT OF EXISTANCE.

How does paying $1,800.00 a year for your firearms license strick you. If you like this
all that is required of you is to sit back and do nothing and it will come to pass.

JUST What, I wonder....does it take to get some people to become active????????????

I need to stop typing now , because all I can think of is 4 letter words.

NO FATE BUT WHAT YOU MAKE!!!!

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Every year,over 2 million Americans use firearms
to preserve life,limb & family.Gun Control Democrats
would prefer that they all die,instead.
ernest2, Conn. CAN opp. "Do What You Can"!
http://thematrix.acmecity.com/digital/237/cansite/can.html
 
Lawdog,
Re: Sarah.
Could it be that HCI, Sarah and Company, and all the other anti's know exactly that? I wonder how many of *them* keep this myth alive, just to have ammo to use? HCI and the others make no bones about lying, and it might just be that they started the whole thing and keep it going, knowing it's a lie, for their own reasons. It puts *us* at the disadvantage of neither being right to oppose the story, or support the story. Win/win for them, lose/lose for us.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We hope that this point system can eventually be expanded to high powered
air guns and "paint ball" weapons, which can inflict great damage, and
with a little effort can be converted to real guns. [/quote]

Man, I could FEEL my IQ dropping the more I read!


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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
 
ernest2, we are discussing weather this document is fake or not because that's what this thread is about. It's not about the CA laws. Spreading items proved false undermines our credibity, which is why it is important to discuss them. How can we convince anyone registration is a bad idea when we appear to be paranoid liars?
 
RAE,
Good point. However, I've always seen it coming from pro-gun sources (Guns and Ammo magazine).
I'm thinking that it would lose a little of it's punch, if an HCI supporter were to hold it up and declare that it was a lie that the 'gun lobby' was spreading, with no corroborating evidence. This can be countered.

But, if an HCI supporter can hold up the document, then point to a gun magazine, or gun web-site as proof of our paranoia and deception--it has that much greater an impact.

Just my humble opinion.

;) LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited January 10, 2000).]
 
Gentlemen:

A moment for a couple of short points. Whether or not any particular report or document is legitimate, the following is a matter of record.

1. Since the mid 1960's, which is the length of time that I have been involved in this fighting gun control business, the published proposals of the anti gunners have gotten ever more extreme.

2. Regarding The Clinton Administration, and such involvment as they might or might not have in any particular schemes or meetings, they are the most anti gun administration this country has ever had to date. Additionally, they have clearly shown, by both word and by deed, that they are perfectly willing to "bend and or stretch the law" in order to achieve their desired ends.

3. The ongoing and unchanging goals of the anti gunners and their lobbies are The Total Proscription of Firearms, either all at once, not likely, or a bit at a time, which they seem to be accomplishing.

Thanks for your attention.
 
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