Things you have to believe to vote Republican

progunner1957

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"Things you have to believe to vote Republican": A response

By Dennis Prager
November 2, 2004

One of the more popular anti-Republican documents making the rounds on the Internet is titled "Things You Have to Believe to Vote Republican Today." Its popularity is exceeded only by its shallowness, which renders the document much more reflective of the liberals who admire it than of the Republicans it attacks. But given its popularity, I offer brief responses to its claims (space limitations and triviality prevented me from responding to three of them).

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Response: Saddam was always a bad guy. We supported him when he fought Iran because at that time he was fighting a greater menace, Iran. Unlike most liberals, Republicans understand that sometimes you support a bad guy when fighting a worse evil -- just as America did when we supported the horrific Stalin against the more horrific Hitler.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

Response: We trade with China because if we do not, other countries will have access to the world's largest market and largest labor base. If we did not trade with China, Americans would be greatly hurt. On the other hand, we do not trade with Cuba because we have a chance to weaken a communist dictator. One weakens evil where one can. Unlike the liberal who wrote this indictment, others understand that just because you cannot fight every evil does not mean you should fight no evils. (For the record, as we have done with Vietnam, I have supported ending the Cuban embargo since the Cold War ended.)

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Though the statement is a non sequitur, I will respond. Every country regulates companies doing business in their country. That proposition is therefore erroneous; and so is the other. Only those on the Left can believe that the human fetus carried by a woman is "her body." A woman's teeth, breasts, legs, hair -- all these are her body. But the human fetus is another's body. The narcissism of the wording -- rendering a human fetus an appendage of the mother and of no more worth than a decayed tooth -- is shameful.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Response: No Christian I have ever talked to ever said that either Jesus or they hate homosexuals. Only demagogues confuse opposition to same-sex marriage with hatred of homosexuals. And the notion that anyone believes Jesus hates Hillary Clinton is libelous.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

Response: The proposition is a lie. And soldiers know it. That is why they prefer the Republican nominee by a margin of four to one. What undermines troop morale is to be told over and over that you are fighting "the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time."

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

Response: No one has ever said this. No one. It is only a facile liberal mind that can confuse "less likely to have sex" if condoms are not distributed with "won't have sex" if condoms are not distributed.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

Response: When Iraq is on its feet, it is our hope that it will decrease government involvement in its citizens' lives. Just as it is our hope to do so here. Moreover, all Americans have access to health care. Not having health insurance does not mean not having health care.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Response: Few big businesses have the best interests of the public at heart. No conservative has ever argued otherwise. But liberals believe that big government and big unions do.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Response: Global warming may well be taking place. But it may be too soon to know for sure -- not long ago we were warned about global cooling. The question that is open to scientific debate is what is causing the global warming that may be happening.

Most conservatives do not want creationism taught in schools and have no trouble with teaching evolution. But if evolution is taught as meaning all life, including human, just happened by itself, that is beyond science -- that is the teaching of atheism. And many of us, including vast numbers of scientists, think that children and society do better learning that there is a moral and purposeful God that created the world (and perhaps evolution as well).

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Response: Honorable people can differ as to whether a president lying under oath while president has committed an impeachable offense. On the other hand, it is entirely dishonorable to charge President Bush with lying about WMDs in Iraq. Everyone, including Democrats and the intelligence services of Russia, Britain and France, believed Saddam Hussein had them. It is the great lie of our time that President Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. To act upon the knowledge one has at the time is not a lie. It is the behavior of a responsible leader.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriage and censoring the Internet.

Response: Society has every right, indeed the duty, to define marriage. A constitutional amendment defining marriage has become necessary only because liberal judges, by taking that role upon themselves, have rendered it impossible for American society to do so. Liberals are delighted to have five justices define the Constitution to allow abortion for no reason other than the convenience of a pregnant woman, but find adding an amendment to define marriage passed by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states offensive.

And liberals should tread carefully before accusing conservatives of favoring censorship. It is overwhelmingly liberals and the Left that censor speech in America -- through speech codes at most universities, through laws defining what a man can say in the presence of a woman in the workplace, and through "campaign finance reform" that ensures only multi-millionaires can run for office.
 
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In order to be a Liberal...

• 1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
• 2. You have to believe that corporations create oppression and governments create prosperity. (This one is really important)
• 3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists or Islamic fundamentalists.
• 4. You have to believe that there was no art before government funding.
• 5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.
• 6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
• 7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of government funding.
• 8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
• 9. You have to believe that outdoorsmen don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
• 10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
• 11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make The Passion Of The Christ for financial gain only.
• 12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
• 13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
• 14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.
• 15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.
• 16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.
• 17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
• 18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.
• 19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
• 20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest to the United States.
• 21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.

--Author Unknown
 
I'll play devils advocate on those later Weeg because I am too tired to read them right now. Though they look reasonably sound from a casual look.
 
Progunner, just to set you straight on one item that I am sure of--cutting veterans bennefits. First of all active soldiers don;t have a clue about veterans bennefits, but thousands and I do. Matter of fact I am going to the va hospital in Birmingham this pm for my annual check up. During the present administrations 5 years that I have been using the VA hospital my drug copays have increased by 40%--VA does not provide latest technology medications, they provide cheepest available similair drugs (Ibuprofin for arthritus) - It is my understanding that tThe gwb administration has also closed some VA hospitals and discontinued certain proceedures for veterans at a time when veterans numbers who are using the service is increasing.
I'll look at the other stuff later.
 
There are a few issues in both progunner's and weeg's assertions that I strongly disagree with but I'm not sure if that's off topic for this forum. If so, I apologize if I take this off track and I'll move the debated to private messages. :)

progunner:

On the other hand, we do not trade with Cuba because we have a chance to weaken a communist dictator.
Only problem is that it hasn't done it in the least bit. Instead it's made the people of that country suffer while Castro enjoys the same luxury he always has. So no, we don't have a chance to weaken a communist dictator and it is indeed hypocritical to support one communist economy while crucifying another. In my opinion, that is.

But the human fetus is another's body.
That depends on when one defines a human life. Religious people tend to believe that human life starts at conception. An agnostic like me, who doesn't believe in a soul until provided evidence as to the existence of one, prefers to view human life at the start of the first undeniable evidence of brain activity. The thing is that even then, until birth I believe that the person inside is still part of the woman's body and I nor anyone else has any right to tell her what to do with it. The only person with any input on the matter is the father. It's their genetic material and no government should be allowed to step in. At the same time, no government should ever, ever, ever pay for an abortion. Those that believe abortion is murder should not have to fund it with their tax dollars.

Only demagogues confuse opposition to same-sex marriage with hatred of homosexuals.

That's not true; I think that opposition to same sex marriages is akin to blatant insults and a pretty strong sign of either a hatred or fear of homosexuals. The problem is that people tend to think that marriage was invented by religion. It simply wasn't.

But if evolution is taught as meaning all life, including human, just happened by itself, that is beyond science
That's not what's supposed to be taught, though. You're right, it's beyond science for any teacher to tell her students why things happened the way they did. Science has never and will never be devoted to answering the question of why, that's what philosophy and, to many, religion are for. Science tells us how and the evidence has shown us the most likely scenarios. But there is zero evidence to support creationism and thus it should not be included in any study of science.

And many of us, including vast numbers of scientists, think that children and society do better learning that there is a moral and purposeful God that created the world (and perhaps evolution as well).
And many of us feel that religious beliefs are to be instilled by the parents, not the schools. Children should never be taught by public schools that there is any kind of god nor that there is no god at all. Schools have no business in that matter and if teachers have the right to teach children that there's a god then you have to allow teachers to teach there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster as well. May you be blessed by his noodly appendage.

Response: Society has every right, indeed the duty, to define marriage.
The only people that have any right to decide whether or not my friends Tim and Dave can get married are Tim and Dave. That's it. Remove all tax benefits for married couples and you remove the only logical reason for controversy because bringing religion and supposed "moral values" is a spitting in the face of them who decided that freedom of religion belonged in the very first ammendment.

I say all this with all due respect and I understand that our opinions may differ. I'm just sharing mine. :)


weeg:

You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's

Debate's still out on this and there are equal arguments on both sides. Now while it's plainly obvious that the earth does indeed go through changes it is impossible to deny the effect that humanity has had on the atmosphere. CFCs were not some made up boogeyman to scare conservatives and the hole in the ozone layer is an undeniable scientific fact. We may not know exactly how strong the impact is because we don't have all the tools and information yet but you can't say that we haven't had an impact.

Oh and I don't think we're allowed to use the term "soccer mom" anymore...I believe the politically correct term is SUV-American. :p :barf:


6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
Gender roles are not artificial but they should also not define a person. I see no reason that a woman should be allowed to fight alongside other Marines if she has met the exact same standards that they did. Nor should I see a reason why men cannot stay home to raise the kids; it's not something I'd want to do but no one should be denied the right to run their family as they see fit.

Also, if you doubt that homosexuality is natural and doubt that it existed before human civilization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-human_animal_sexuality


14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.

I wouldn't say more important but their contributions to society should not be ignored. Women's rights are no less important than men's rights.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever met her?

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
Free speech is free speech (although you'd be hard pressed to find me evidence of any parade that supported bestiality) whether it's a gay pride parade or a christmas scene.


Again, I say all this with all due respect and I understand that our opinions may differ. I'm just sharing mine. :)
 
VA does not provide latest technology medications, they provide cheepest available similair drugs (Ibuprofin for arthritus) - It is my understanding that tThe gwb administration has also closed some VA hospitals and discontinued certain proceedures for veterans at a time when veterans numbers who are using the service is increasing.

And that is morally wrong, no matter how you look at it. My position is not that the Bush administration is 100% right 100% of the time.

My position is that you give disabled veterans the absolute best health care currently available - because they have earned it and they deserve it.

Yes, we have to make budget cuts to at least try to balance the books. How about making those cuts from benefits given to people who have done absolutely nothing to earn them - like cutting free health care given to illegal aliens??

How about cutting free health care given to meth lab operators when they blow themselves up and have no insurance? The deluxe state of the art burn care for meth lab explosion treatment runs $500,000 to $550,000 per burned scumbag meth dealer.

They get cutting edge treatment, paid for by We The People, while disabled veterans get the absolute minimum that Uncle Sugar can find to give them. No one with any morals or integrity can say there's any possible way to justify this.
 
You know the only thing I have to believe to vote Republican?

As a whole, the Republican party better represents my beliefs, my goals, my aspirations, and my expectations.

Everything else is just horsecrap.
 
This is good, we need to fix the lists until they are perfect. Find one flaw in an article and they will automaticly dismiss the whole thing. Lets make it bulletproof so they can't.
 
I find the liberal/left's insistance on gay marrage, and blaming Bush for not allowing it, the height of hypocracy.

First, it's always been illegal since the founding of the republic. It's not like it was legal and that mean old Bush decided one day to forbid it.

Next, where were the democrats the 38 years they held the majority? Where was Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton on the issue? The simple fact is the democrats could have taken the lead on the issue many years ago, and didn't. So why all the republican bashing, when the democrats did nothing about it for all those years? Only one reason, just another excuse to bash Bush.
 
From Redworms post:

" 'Only demagogues confuse opposition to same-sex marriage with hatred of homosexuals.'

That's not true; I think that opposition to same sex marriages is akin to blatant insults and a pretty strong sign of either a hatred or fear of homosexuals. The problem is that people tend to think that marriage was invented by religion. It simply wasn't."

It is logical to hate and fear homosexuals, because they rape children. It is impossible to find accurate data, but when large scale child molestations were discovered in the Catholic church, almost all were homosexual in nature.

Geoff
Who notes years of news reports and lack of data from Government sources.
 
"It is logical to hate and fear homosexuals, because they rape children. It is impossible to find accurate data..."

Ergo, you disprove your statement by your own words.

The Catholic Church is NOT a microcosm of society in general, and the actions of its priests have very little correlation outside of the church.
 
First, it's always been illegal since the founding of the republic. It's not like it was legal and that mean old Bush decided one day to forbid it.
How do you figure that? What law was around at the founding that specifically banned gay marriages?
 
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Liberal "Rules" for Arguing


During the past year, I have spent countless hours trying to have rational debates about the various issues surrounding Iraq with Liberals on various message boards all over the Web. I've wondered over and over why they all seem to follow certain patterns. I've been trying to codify the rules that they seem to use, to increase my ability to identify the tactics they're using. When I identify which rule they're following, they invariably reply with strings of invective, proving that they know exactly what they're doing. Following are the top five Liberal "Rules" for Arguing that I've so far identified, having been repeatedly subjected to all these and more.

#1: Attack Your Opponent
If you feel that your opponent is trying to use facts to your disadvantage, attack him or her personally. Call your opponent names, insult his ancestry, imply that he performs improbable sex acts with animals or his own mother -- or both. If you can arouse his anger, you will have him on familiar ground where he can be beat. Your aim is to make your opponent stop using those pesky facts and figures to win the argument -- everyone knows arguments are supposed to be emotional, not cold and rational, so he's doing it wrong to start with. Names guaranteed to upset an opponent with a conservative bent are Nazi, Dittohead (meaning he's a fan of Rush Limbaugh), and Sheep. Spell "Republican" and "America" with a K in them, to suggest that your opponent is a member of the KKK -- but if they mention that Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a Klansman, accuse your opponent of making an ad hominem attack! Make sure to claim that your opponent is either a dupe, is brainwashed, or is perhaps working for the government. If at all possible, make personal attacks on President Bush at the same time; that usually forces people to try and defend him.

#2: Switch Your Arguments
If you feel that your are beginning to lose an argument, change it. Switch sides altogether if you have to. For instance, if you are arguing that there are no biological or chemical weapons in Iraq, and your opponent quotes one of the many UN reports that state there definitely were banned weapons there, suddenly change your argument to "of course, there were, the US gave them to Saddam". Never mind the fact that you were just saying they didn't exist -- the purpose is to confuse your opponent and keep him from winning the argument. And in the above instance, if your opponent shows records from the CDC proving that Iraq requested medical samples through the World Health Organisation to combat anthrax and botulism, switch your argument BACK AGAIN and claim that Saddam destroyed the WMD he made form the samples after kicking out the inspectors in 1998, ignoring your earlier arguments that there never was any, and then that the US provided it. Logic is for losers! Consistency is for conservatives! If your opponent gives up the argument, loudly proclaim a victory!

#3: Raise The Bar
When your opponent presents you with proof of anything -- UN records of WMD stockpiles, Amnesty International records of humanitarian crimes, eyewitness accounts of rape, torture, murder, etc -- state that it's not enough to convince you. Tell your opponent that his so- called "proof" doesn't mean anything at all. Insist that anything from only one source doesn't count. Force him or her to go back and search for more proof... and more, and still more. Eventually, your opponent will grow tired of trying to convince you with mere facts and figures, and either give up or get angry -- and then you know you've got him! You can tell everyone that your opponent lost because his or her proof was "laughable".

#4: Attack The Source
When your opponent presents you with those pesky facts, there's only one way to beat him -- attack the source. Refuse to give credence to anything reported by the Weekly Standard, or NewsMax, even if your opponent's facts come from another source as well. Any news outlet even slightly to the right of the New York Times, the LA Times, CBS, ABC, NPR and Time is immediately suspect. Put down FOX news channel and anyone that refers to it -- ignore the fact that they have reported the same stories as every other network. The fact that your opponent uses any of those obviously biased sources automatically proves him wrong, a brainwashed tool, a sheep, etc (see rule #1). If he gives you information from a web site, attack that site as being biased, or right-wing. If he attacks your sources as being left-wing, scoff at that argument -- you know that "left wing" and "correct" are the same thing. Quotes from any liberal source (even a non-journalist's web page or blog) are automatically correct, while any conservative source is OBVIOUSLY distorting the facts to make an ideological point.

#5: Blame America First/Moral Equivalency
It's very important, at all times, to remember that America is the REAL bad guy here, everywhere, and for all time. If your opponent shows facts about Saddam's humanitarian offenses, match them with claims of America's own "atrocities". Although your opponent will claim there is no comparison between the two, continue to claim, for instance, that Saddam's 30- year record of using rape, murder, torture and mutilation on prisoners merely accused of crimes is the EXACT SAME THING as Texas administering the death penalty after due process of law. Argue that because America has not always been absolutely perfect, Americans have no right to judge any other country, no matter what it does, even though the Geneva Convention did not exist until after WWII. Stay focussed on your vision of an evil America ruled by corporate greed, evil America slobbering to kill the innocents in other countries, evil America ruthlessly building an empire, and evil America only pretending to be benevolent and generous to other countries. Never give credence to your opponent's arguments that America rebuilt countries like France, Germany, Japan, Nicaragua, Grenada, etc... it was obviously a ruse of some kind! Always seek to put the worst possible interpretation on everything America does or ever has done, or any statement by any member of the Administration. Remember that America exists only to dominate the entire world, like a James Bond supervillain. For reference, watch as many Oliver Stone movies as possible. Remember that American soldiers always act exactly like the soldiers in Platoon.
 
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You Know You're a Liberal ....



If you think Rob Reiner had to stretch to play the liberal in "All in the Family"

If you think the answer to ANY crime, infraction, or injustice is counseling.

If you've spent no less than 30 years in the walls of academia and don't see how today could be too much different from the '60s.

If you think the criminal has more rights than the police who arrest this criminal, unless the crime is sexual harassment, or racism.

If you use the term 'open-minded' and don't care that it can't be defined in absolute terms.

If you think only white people can be racist.

If you think that teenager's sexual behavior is uncontrollable, but hardened violent criminals should be released on parole after serving a cut sentence in a "correctional institution".

If you think Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee are articulate geniuses but Justice Clarence Thomas, Dr. Alan Keyes and Dr. Walter Williams are dolts.

If you think Rush Limbaugh and Michael Reagan are mean spirited racists and promote hate crime but Maxine Waters, John Conyers and Louis Farakahn aren't and don't.

If you think that the Constitution is a living document and should be changed but the writings of Karl Marx are "written in stone".

If you think burning the United States flag should be Constitutionally protected but burning a cross should be outlawed.

If you think that tax cuts hurt poor people and are uncompassionate but taking 30% from their paychecks is compassionate

If your idea of hell is having to mind your own business and not meddle in other people's lives.

If you believe that posting the "Ten Commandments" in schools will hurt the children, but putting "Heather Has Two Mommies" or "Ask Alice" (on the internet) won't.

If you think that the American Dream could have only been accomplished in the '60s.

if you think that conservatives have no sense of humor then shudder at the idea of a Clinton joke.

If you actually do believe that Clinton doesn't know the definition of the words "alone", "is", or "correct".

If you believe that Columbus is a mean-spirit bringer of genocide, and never should have explored to the new world, which meant that no one would have religious or taxation freedom whatsoever.

If you think that the only way the tragedy in Littleton, CO could have been avoided was to restrict the access of the guns, two of which were bought on the black market.

If you actually think the multicultural movement of the '90s works better than organized religion.

If you don't want the Christian Right imposing their morality on you, but you want to impose big government on everyone else because they won't do the right thing.

You're a liberal if you can't see the irony in your own beliefs.

If you believe Peter Jennings is a very educated and intelligent man.

If you can actually believe everyone around Bill Clinton is lying, but Bill Clinton himself is telling the truth.

If you point to God's forgiveness of King David in reference to Bill Clinton but "forget" to read the rest of the scripture about the ruin that he inflicted on his family, his kingdom and himself.

If you think that the only acceptable hate crime is Christian bashing.

If you want to make the rich "pay their fair share" but leave Ted (more people have been killed in my car than in an American nuclear power plant) Kennedy and Dick Gebhardt out of the definition of the rich.

If your idea of compassion is giving a homeless person a shopping cart but expecting them to accept the responsibilities of life is mean spirited, racist, bigoted, etc. ad nauseum.

If you think Princess Diana was compassionate for hugging poor children and children with AIDS (while "forgetting" about her getting in her limo and driving away) but Mother Teresa makes you uncomfortable.

If you think that "dumbing down" America's school kids is compassionate but holding them to high educational standards is "mean spirited", racist, bigoted, etc. ad nauseum.

If you think that people need to be punished for good choices and rewarded for bad ones.

You're a liberal if you think what Hitler did to the Jews is horrible but the "Christian Right" is dangerous and needs to be done away with.

If you think that affirmative action is the only way to solve racial problems in America.

If you think the best way to care about a disease is to wear a ribbon.

If you think that pouring blood on a $1,500 fur coat is a sure-fire way to get your message across, but if anyone protests outside an abortion clinic, they're extremists!

If you voted for Mondale in 1984 thinking that raising your taxes was a good idea.

If you refer to listening to Jesse Jackson or Sam Donaldson as "equal time".

If the last 'good old president' you remember was Carter.

If you actually think there IS a way that the Republicans can poison the water supply to certain people, and destroy the ozone layer.

If you use the words "right wing extremist" at least four times in any given day.

If you think that the four cops who beat Rodney King should have been thrown in jail forever, but the four thugs who beat Reginald Denny should have fair justice.

You complain that your community has too many white people and the Catholic church you go to doesn't have enough ethnicity, but you're the first one with a for sale sign in your yard when blacks start moving in.

You scream if a CEO sleeps with an employee but think that Clinton receiveing oral sex from an Intern is just fine.

You believe that Clinton was forced to lie under oath by the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"

You think that Ken Starr is the devil's helper for calling Monica's mother to testify but believe that Ollie North's wife and minister being called before the grand Jury was fair.

You believe Clinton's numbers about the number of jobs created and don't credit it to the businesses given opportunities in the 1980s.

You know no recorded economic history (e.g. the massive stagflation and recession) before the Reagan Era.

You wear a red ribbon to show your support for a cure for AIDS but oppose all animal experimentation needed to find that cure

If you hear a news report of a man beat nearly to death because he is a minority or gay and you rally about punishing the bigot who committed the terrible act BUT, if you hear a news report of a man beat nearly to death for his money, and you start talking about the poor disadvantaged person who is forced to commit such acts to survive.

You think a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority, while sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are values-neutral.

You agonize over threats to the natural environment (acid rain, toxic waste) but are oblivious to threats to the social environment (pornography, promiscuity, and family dissolution).

You want to outlaw cigarrettes and legalize marijuana

You want to legalize cocaine and outlaw handguns. You think cops are pigs and criminals are products of their environment.

You believe the National Rifle Association helps criminals while the American Civil Liberties Union protects the innocent.

You think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing but are outraged by suggestions that Ted Kaczynski (the suspected Unabomber) and Al Gore have anything in common.

You just know that everything Rush Limbaugh says is a lie but you have never listened to him.

Jesse Jackson makes sense to you. Barbra Streisand makes even more sense.

You believe corporate profits are obscene but government spending is too low and the American people are undertaxed.

You see cartoons condemning religions and making fun of Christianity as funny and an expression of free speech, but think the cartoon B.C. should be banned.

You think deficits are caused by tax loopholes.

You think AIDS is spread by insufficient funding.

You are convinced that proponents of welfare reform hate the poor and opponents of affirmative action hate minorities, but AIDS activists who bash the Pope and People for the American Way types who go psycho over Protestant "fundamentalists" are guardians of democracy.

You attribute every minority problem to entrenched, institutional racism and the legacies of slavery and segregation.

You think the black middle class is a myth created by Newt Gingrich.

You view race riots as justifiable expressions of rage over injustice and fail to see the similarities between a black mob burning a Korean store and a white mob in the Jim Crow era lynching a black man.

You don't understand all of the whining about affirmative action and are more than willing to sacrifice someone else's employment or education opportunity to assuage your guilt.

You marched against American involvement in Vietnam, thought the Gulf war was unnecessary but believe 25,000 U.S. troops in Bosnia are vital to our national interests.

You see no correlation between welfare and the rise of illegitimacy, judicial leniency and surging crime rates, or addiction and an entertainment industry that glorifies drug abuse. But you believe Richard Nixon is responsible for everything horrible that's happened in the past quarter-century.

You think those child-abusing, religious fanatics at Waco had it coming but the illegal immigrants roughed up by California deputies - after leading them on a high-speed chase - are the victims of the decade.

You continually say that conservatives have no sense of humor, but after reading this page, think that I am cold and mean-spirited.
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Progunner 1957 and all, got back from that visit to the VA hospital awhile ago. was planning on going directly from there to my hunting camp in south alabama but bp was a little high and they piddled around so long that I called it off until tomorrow.:(
But now, after 6 years of this same hospital, they are having me fill out new health care request and present updated financial statements.:confused: They never told me when I enlisted that if I survived and was luckey enough to make some money after I completed my obligation they were not gonna provide me with health care. I Am anscious to see what this is all about but smells like the ole vets gonna get the shaft again. :eek:
Met an old WW11 vet there and he was a dude, neve stopped talking, but appeared to be in good health,:) hope to see him again next time;
 
>It is logical to hate and fear homosexuals, because they rape children. It is impossible to find accurate data, but when large scale child molestations were discovered in the Catholic church, almost all were homosexual in nature.<

I'm only gonna hit this one...

"It is logical to hate and fear gun owners, because they kill children. It is impossible to find accurate data, but when large scale child shootings were discovered in society, almost all were committed by gun owners."

Both statements have equal validity.

Of course, the first statement ignores the nature of the sexual predator: they go where their prey will be found (hence "predator". You don't find lions in the Sahara). For a being that wants sex with young boys, they'll go where they have easy access to them: unfortunately, the preisthood fits the bill (Boy Scouts is another good one).

You might want to LEARN a bit about the bloody subject before spouting off...
 
Ted Kennedy: Living hand to mouth

If you want to make the rich "pay their fair share" but leave Ted (more people have been killed in my car than in an American nuclear power plant) Kennedy and Dick Gebhardt out of the definition of the rich.
Ted Kennedy is not rich - over 90% of his $500 million is in offshore accounts:barf: :barf:
 
Ted Kennedy is not rich - over 90% of his $500 million is in offshore accounts

not a Kennedy fanboy either..but didnt W's grandpappy make some money by managing Nazi enterprises?

LOL...
 
Ted Kennedy is not rich - over 90% of his $500 million is in offshore accounts


Oh yeah...Dude leaves a woman to die in the water, and for some reason, waits 10 hours to report it...

Comes stumbling out of a bay with a scotch bottle...

An alcoholic dimwit...

And he is held as a great man by his party :rolleyes:

I can see that old Teddy-Boy has been keeping himself fit...

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