They are mad at the cops?

Of course they are and with very good reason. People do not like it when they find out that the police have no legal obligation to protect them. That said, it will be interesting to learn jut what orders the officers on duty at the parade were given and who issued them.
 
If I came to harm though the combination of a criminal attack and the efforts of police to keep me from defending myself, I'd be mad, too. As it is, I view police officials and legislators who criminalize carry of defensive weapons as being criminals' allies and even more despicable than freelance thus. Those, at least, do not hide behind a uniform. However, being mad at police for not protecting you is, IMO, unrealistic. Any useful actions by them are icing on the cake...the cake better be them not hindering the rest of us in our efforts to look after our own hides.
 
If one of us had been there to save the day with a evil gun they'd be spitting on us right now calling us murders etc. what a bunch of idiots the sheeple are.
 
The more I hear about New York City the more I’m glad I’m not from there and hope never to have to go there.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Oleg: I view police officials and legislators who criminalize carry of defensive weapons as being criminals' allies and even more despicable than freelance thus. Those, at least, do not hide behind a uniform.[/quote] I never though of it that way, but you make a very good point.

Hi Oleg, long time no see!


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I read enough in one newspaper to understand why one women was pissed at the police. First she gets knocked down, groped and has her clothes torn partially off. Then when she finally fights her way out of the park and reports it to a policeman, he tells her to go back into the park and report it at the station there. What an insensitive, impractical dumbass. Give him some training and then fire him for making a dangerous suggestion. John
 
To the extent that cops sat on their butts and did nothing, not even report it over the radio or ask for instructions/backup, in the face of reports of ongoing sexual assaults, they have every right to be mad.

Reminds me of the time a cop around here saw someone breaking into the house and knew it. However, he just drove by. When reported, he said he didn't want to get involved as he was getting off shift and didn't want to have to do the paperwork. It was about that time that I realized cops were due no extra respect as a group, and that only after they'd proved themselves as individuals were they worthy of respect, just like anyone else.

By the way, the worst one I heard coming out of the whole deal was a cop telling a woman who had just reported an incident and told him where the perps were "ma'am, you've been sexually assaulted. Come back tomorrow when you've calmed down." What the f___? Come back tomorrow when the evidence is gone, the perps are out of there, and the crime cannot be solved?! Great. Nice job.

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If you took the time to read the article about the double standard, I`m afraid that for the most part it`s true. Events like this parade spawn a lot of drinking and there`s a hands off attitude. That coupled with no radios to call for back up with large unruly crowds has always been a recipe for disaster. Could it have been handled any better? Maybe so but since the "armchair experts" have prejudged the NYPD in this case, I won`t bother to defend this any further. Ignorance is bliss.
There`s a lot of NYPD "experts" on this board but I never see any mention of their credentials. In dealing with critics face to face, I`ve found many who are pushing hidden agendas. Usually they`re the"I could`ve been a cop but....." or the "I really told that cop off but he gave me a summons anyway!" and of course "Why are you picking on my kid?" when he`s arrested for some small indiscretion like rape or drunk driving. This usually from the ones who demand we go something about other people`s kids.
I could go on but what`s the point. The people who have legitimate complaints are the ones who suffer since their voices are lost in the din of the bashers.
 
HEY BUZZ,
I think it would serve you well if you did some searching on court cases and police protection--true it is assinign(sp?), but under law they have absolutely no legal obligation to even respond in the face of a life threatening situation. So, one would logically see the connection of apothy in the cases of the leo's mentioned in the article. It just reinforces our **FIRST** inalienable right as humans and that self-preservation is soley OUR responsibility!
 
JHILL

I've researched the law on this issue before, as well as studied it in law school. One of the main reasons why I am a die-hard believer in self-defense is from growing up in an area with a large number of corrupt cops and politicians, and where even the good ones were unlikely to be anywhere around when you needed them. I rely on cops for investigating what happens AFTER I take care of the situation.
 
dinosaur: "you must be/have been a cop to criticize a cop" - that's a silly argument.

I don't need to know how to build a car to know that a Yugo is a terrible car. I don't need to write OS's to complain about the instability of Win95. etc

I see NYC, LA, SF, and a few others as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for cops and a few others. If they'd stepped in very early, they'd probably be accused of racism and heavy handedness. I can't see why a person would set himself up like that.

My opinion is that they should have stepped in rather early. They are still "law enforcement" and laws were broken.
 
Destructo;
Please go back and reread my post. Where did I say you have to be a cop to criticize one? As one who`s been there, I am qualified to offer some personal insight. I`m retired so I have no axe to grind. I can say what I know to be true about the job without fear of reprisals from anyone.
It also depends on what some people`s agenda is. Nobody likes being criticized, but constructive criticism is hopefully just that.
Also read the article that Mountaingun posted. This has been policy since before you and I were born and will still be in effect when we`re gone. This is what the so called majority of New Yorkers want. I say majority because there`s no one to speak for the people. I can`t comment about other cities because all I know is what the media wants me to know. I can`t form an opinion based on that.
I didn`t say the cops were right. I said maybe it wasn`t handled correctly. That usually isn`t the fault of the rank and file however. I`ll wait and see. I wasn`t there but I have been, many, many times front and center. This is why I can state the police interviews are fact. Throw out some of the rhetoric and boil it down. Actually, these cops held back much of the disdain they feel for the status quo that exists.
BTW, you`re right. The law should have been enforced quickly and surely. I hope I`ve given you some insight of why it`s not.
 
I wonder if the morale of the NYPD has been shattered by all the attacks from Hillary, Sharpton, Jackson, et al during Guiliani's senate bid. The NY cops have taken a lot of sh*t in the last several months.

Dick
 
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