"The way of the gun"

Mr. Blonde

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Good flick for gun lovers. It's pretty graphic but good acting overall.....

Del Torro does a great job.

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"Are You Gonna Bark All Day Little Doggie, Or Are You Gonna Bite?"
 
yeah, I definitely enjoyed it; had a good time trying to identify all the weapons. plus, they seemed to be pretty well co-ordinated together, esp. in that first hallway encounter with the bodyguards. btw, how'd they get all that great stuff when they were trying to sell their various fluids for cash?
 
I asked myself the same question. They had a LOT of ammo too....

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"Are You Gonna Bark All Day Little Doggie, Or Are You Gonna Bite?"

"Get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock" - Tommy Lee Jones
 
I saw it with Mr.Blonde, He can confirm the low grunt I made when I saw Del Torro with the Galil....wow, I'm drooling. Lots of 1911's, they had some good tactics too. James Caan was great, as always.
 
TwoGuns saw it with me, this MrBlonde. That out of the way, when Benicio Del Toro pulled out the Galil and started plugging away, you could hear a Homer Simpson type "Ahuuhuhu" comming from TwoGuns. That out of the way, the movie was a great movie. Definetly one of my favorites(although I dont have a single "first favorite"). Good movie. I want to see it again ASAP.
 
I am glad Caan was in this one. Gave the film some credibility. Caan is in my opinion under used by Hollywood - ANY role cast with Dennis Hopper could have been much better if cast with Caan.

Something about Hopper just sits wrong with me... Caan - is just smoother. Something about Caan says "Hey, I dont have to prove myself to you."
Caan in Cool.
 
Hmmm a different MrBlonde, sorry man. Didn't know there was one... I was wondering what TwoGuns was talking about.

Anyway, Caan is great. I like Hopper too. Del Toro is definately underrated. They need to cast him in more flicks. Usual Suspects was great.

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"Are You Gonna Bark All Day Little Doggie, Or Are You Gonna Bite?"

"Get rid of that nickel plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock" - Tommy Lee Jones
 
Yeah, I went with the MrBlonde that posted right after me.... The Galil was the rifle that Del Torro used in the shoot out in the hotel, full auto, reeeaal nice.

George, I agree, James Caan is a very good actor, he always sounds very intelligent and experienced.
 
The gun handling is a cut above other films:
1911s in IWB holsters (no crossdraw on the front-of-the-belt carry), fingers off the triggers until the shooting starts, and breaks for reloading during the gunfights.

As for what the film teaches us, it has a pessimistic thesis: There is no justice; there is only raw power, the way of gun (listen to what the James Caan character says; he is the one who prevails). I agree, but I can see how it would offend many Americans (the film has received mostly bad reviews) because people in the U.S. tend to believe in justice (witness Americans' childish enthusiasm for reward and punishment) and god (as the final arbiter of justice).

This type of belief in a moral economy (the idea everyone gets his or her just desserts, now or in the next world) is probably the only thing that keeps the frightened little cretins going (you know, about ninety per cent of the U.S. population.

Nothing brings out existential navel-gazing and angst like greed and a lust for power. Hey, just ask the Clintons!

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We have never been modern.
 
You guys owe me $8 :mad: !!!

Despite Phillipe's lame@ss accent and Caanes waxing sentimental every other damn second, Del Torro did a great job AND the gun play was pretty darn good. Gotta love those 1911's (Wilsons ?), just trying to figure out how they could afford them donating joy juice (hmmm..).

The old Guy from all the 80's hick movies (Every Which Way but Loose) was pretty darn funny too. Best scene in the movie.. well, I won't give it away, but he had a lot of choices ;).


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MTAA, how's about we just buy you a beer? I completely forgot to mention how stupid some of the dialogue was. some of the real groaners:

"What do you think?" "I think a plan is just a list of things that don't happen."

"Justice is just karma without the satisfaction."

man, oh man. trying way too hard.
 
"Do you believe in Karma ?"

"Karma is justice without the satisfation..."


Whoooa...Thank you Bagman sensei san. Grasshopper prefer Deniro in Heat though.

"Alright tough guy, you ready to do the Man Dance ??"

Have to admit, that opening scene was pretty funny. Typical, but funny. They should of let this script go through a couple more rewrites before they put it into production. Started out very Kerouacesque and then nosedived.

As awesome as that Galil was, a couple of flash/stun grenades and smoke bombs and they would of caught the cheese. Then I guess it would have had to be renamed "The Way Of The Claymore" :D

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by George Hill:
I am glad Caan was in this one. Gave the film some credibility. Caan is in my opinion under used by Hollywood -
Caan in Cool.
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Have you ever seen the movie "Thief" with James Caan? It was made in the early 80's. It was directed by Michael Mann, before "Miami Vice". If you like 1911's and James Caan, you have to see it.



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Wayne D
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I thought that the "gun stuff" was the best I've seen since Thief or Heat… there wasn't a single false step in technique or handling (no John Woo-woo here!), and the only firearms related nit I would pick has to do with the neatness of the "impact pattern" made when Del Toro is tracking (through the wall) one of the other crew with his Galil.

Notice that none of the ordnance is tricked out with sights, accessories, compensators, or anything other than a "TEAM Sling" on a shotgun. And we've got pistols (note the pre-Serious '70 Government Models!), revolvers (mostly old snubbies), shotguns, carbines, and rifles.

And for anyone who criticizes the practiced movements of Del Toro and Phillippe as being "unrealistic" for a couple of "inept criminals¹," remember that Platt and Matix knew how to move. (Now that I think of it, so too did Phillips and Matasereanu… and they were a couple o'clowns!)

Another nit: Caan is getting great notices for his role as "Joe Sarno," and it worked for me, but the character (the actor's choices) was very heavily based on "Frank" in Thief, i.e., it wasn't "original." I've been clocking the guy for over 30 years now, and his range as an actor seems, um, "limited." (Happily, his firearms technique, learned during a crash-course with Chuck Taylor² while preparing for his role in the Michael Mann film, seems to have stayed with him.)

I agree that there were a number of "groaner" lines in The Way of the Gun… they just didn't fit. Another "groaner" were the names Del Toro and Phillippe chose to give themslves: "Longbaugh" and "Parker," the birth names of a couple of celebrated Western desperados on a century ago.

But the more I reflect on this film, the more I liked it… it has some of the same elements present that I enjoyed in writer-director Christopher McQuarrie's earlier screenplay for The Usual Suspects, plus it's got all that great gun action, the end credit for which was given to "Doug McQuarrie," some relative³ who's clearly into guns. Good work!

BTW: Caan's delightful ol' co-hort "Abner" was Geoffrey Lewis… his is the most protracted "death scene" since Bernie Casey's in Sharkey's Machine.

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¹.- Cf the film's on-line Excite.com synopsis: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Two inept criminals kidnap a wealthy pregnant woman, but soon find things going awry when the woman's parents send an aging mercenary to deliver the ransom.[/quote] I didn't find them inept at all. I found them to be… criminals! And "mercenary?!?" Good grief! He's an aging "hard guy," a wily ol' "bag man." (And she's not wealthy… etc.!)

².- When Caan and Mann had approached Cooper about instructing the actor in the then rudimentary "Modern Technique of the Pistol," Jeff had declined, dismissing the idea as nonsensical since the character of "Frank," as a career criminal with a lot of time (11 years?) in prison, would not have been exposed to such training. Taylor was D.Ops at API then, and agreed to give Caan an accelerated 24-hour course so that he at least looked like he knew what he was doing. Caan repaid this service during a call-in radio show one evening while promoting Thief; asked where he acquired his seemingly authentic firearms skills, the actor muttered that "some Nazi took me into the desert and showed me a couple of things." (On the excellent DVD of that film, in the SAP narrative, both Caan and Mann frequently refer to Cooper and Gunsite in a considerably more respectful way, so I'd venture to suggest that there was a considerable ego-conflict between the notoriously macho actor and the even more infamously egocentric writer/instructor.)

³.- Somebody somewhere really blew an ideal opportunity by not contacting one of the gunzines last year and having a timely feature this past Summer, something along the lines of "The Way of the Gun… a movie finally gets it right!" or something of that nature. I would have had a lot of fun with the assignment 'twere I still active, but there's a guy from the NYC area, John somebody who occasionally writes for American Handgunner, who could have done a good job with it as well. A lead feature in Guns or G&A or Shooting Times in July or August would certainly have whet firearms aficionados' appetites and helped out at the box office where it certainly can use all the help it can get.

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Dean Speir, jus' visiting from The Gun Zone


[This message has been edited by Dean Speir (edited September 24, 2000).]
 
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