The way it oughta be... and was, once

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Coinneach

Staff Alumnus
(note: This is NOT about The Kid)

I had a brief vision of freedom on Friday evening.

I bought a handgun, retail, with no paperwork and no background check. Cash and carry, literally.

How did I get away with this?

Simple: it was a Navy Arms replica of the Colt 1860 Army blackpowder .44 revolver, and bp guns aren't subject to registration.

Until 1968, *all* handguns, bp or modern, were sold this way. Ya pays yer money and takes yer choice, no questions asked. As I was born in 1969, I've never known how it felt to just buy a gun and walk out of the store in 2 minutes. I've always known there was something wrong with the current system, but it never really hit me on a personal level. Now I have a glimmering of a suspicion of how freedom lost really feels.

Next on the list: a Hawken .54.
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Thanks a lot!

I thought I was done buying anything for a while, jeeesh. or maybe BP's aren't subject to spousal registration as well? hmmmmmm.
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The way it oughta be... and was, once; and could be again.
Wishing won't restore our Constitution.
What WILL it take? The ballot box?

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Good point! It could be easily done, with honor, at the ballot box. But it will never happen, Americans don't have the guts for it.

It would require most voters totally abandoning the oligarchy - the Republicans and Democrats. And that won't happen.

It would require most voters voting for what is right, rather than the lesser of two evils. But that would take resolve and unity.

It would require most voters not only saying, "Enough!" but meaning it and taking action.

But we, as Americans, are so Republican/Democrat-oriented that voting for freedom, liberty, and the Constitution is a fantasy.

Too many Americans have become depraved tit-suckers of Socialism and refuse to show common sense or bravery at the ballot box - let alone on the field of honor as our countrymen did so long ago.

But I owe those long-dead ancestors a debt beyond compare. And I owe my descendants no more and no less than what our ancestors fought and died for.

So I will continue to accept the insults of the "oh, so educated" who refuse to band together with their votes to save what our ancestors gave us.

I, for one, will stand with the few who understand it is impossible to return to Constitutional law while voting for tyranny.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
*Sigh*
Too bad the ANTI GUN crowd thinks this is all it takes to buy an Uzi...
If they only knew.

*sigh - again*
Be sure to give us a range report on how it shoots...
 
Dennis, I believe you are a little mistaken.

Voting to protect the constitution will ALWAYS be a contradiction.

Whether the media/politicians have driven it, or vice versa, >50% of people will vote FOR any level of firearms prohibition that's slightly harsher than the previous.

Have you ever seen someone who believes in firearms prohibition trying to protect the constitution?

If you're getting gun bans, that means the majority believes in gun bans. Which means your libertarian can't win.

If most people were AGAINST gun bans, then the Dems and Repubs would also adjust to be against gun bans.

You are a minority. Minorities don't win elections. And the majority don't need a constitution - they get what they want through voting.

Currently, the second amendment does not exist. Sorry, had to say it. A lot of people that it is protecting their boltactions, well, it is not - stalling and the hunting culture is.

In a way, Bill Clinton is right. Republicans DO hold back "sensible" gun control - even against what many of their constitutients want, by killing bills before they get to a vote.

For example: A bill: "Guns kill children. We must protect children by banning guns". Once it comes out, you're practically forced to sign it - the place to fight it UNDEMOCRATICALLY is to sabotage it before congressman's careers are put on the line to sign it.

My point is, your desire for liberty is an unpopular one, and all but a dead cause. The one hope it has is to vote Republican.

Voting for ban'em'all Repub. Giuliani is better than voting pro RKBA Democrat. Why? A Republican majority/president can place non-socialist supreme court judges. Both Gore and Bradley agreed that they would appoint SC Judges who considered that the Constitution was very loose. The US constitution is highly incompatible with socialism, as limits the govt. wrt. imposing upon individual liberties. Pure communism = no individual liberties/rights.

Politicians like (socialist) Giuliani, directly or indirectly uphold the constitution by getting judges in that at least MAY uphold the constitution - the republican party still takes this position as one which defines them as different to the democrats.


Again, most people support gun control. An elected official has to directly support/enact it. Doesn't stop that official from appointing judges he knows will shoot it down though. . . .


Again, as a minority, your only hope lies in the US Constitution - the US Constitution is under assault in all directions, not just RKBA. The judges don't have it easy - they must balance perfectly interpreting the constitution vs. current political expediency (e.g. 4th vs. war on drugs that near everyone supports).

Vote Republican - just this once - please don't let Gore pick a half a dozen SC judges.


Battler.
 
My latest purchase was of a Colt 1861 Sheriff's Model .36 caliber revolver.

Bought it from Sportsman's Guide.

It was delivered to my home by UPS.

Bought it out of spite. Just because I could.

Sgt.K
 
Sometimes i look at the shape my country is in and end up shaking my head in a mixture of sadness and disgust at what has happened in the last 35 years.

It seems like the apathy, eroding of moral values, family unit, are things that have less and less meaning as time goes by. I don't want to go back to the 1950's or anything like that. But i would enjoy seeing things like = honor, justice, compassion, brought back into our daily lives and have our children taught these qualities as well.

This country needs a leader, be it man or woman to bring this country out of the decline it has been in. Will this happen anytime soon? I personally don't see anyone who fills that bill or is willing to make the changes and sacrifice it will take.

WE THE PEOPLE; has never meant more in our countries history as it does right now. One of the reasons i became a police officer is that it thrust me into the front lines of this battle, for the very soul of what our country stands for. I will not stand by and watch this happen without trying to preserve what once was and still can be. But it takes effort from all of us, everyone has something to offer to better this great republic we call our country.

As long as there are men and women stand up for what is right no matter what the odds, there is hope.... It is a fight worth fighting.
 
coinneach...
just a note on this subject....

there are bills in front of the congress & house to add these "unregulated" firearms to the normal 'regulated" ones....

In this area, we have been fighting this battle for about two years now, and been able to fend off all local & state efforts to do this.... but we lost when it made it to the house...... I will find the reps name (he is a (D)) who asked the BATF to provide a report on how many of these "Unregulated" firearms are out there and have been used in a crime (only 1, about 4 months ago).....
the local dealers that are ONLY BP Civil war or revolutionary war dealers (NO other firarms)have been asked for two years to get a statement from all they sell to as to what they bought and how much powder they bought....
Hell.. the BATF even states that "Caps" are "primers" and therefore fall under the regulation....
but we have won that one because they found out they were wrong.(but they are still trying to put "caps" under "explosives" and "primers")...

Buy them wilst you can.....

BTW... have you ever seen the hole a .58 Cal 1863 musket makes are 100 yards????

no wonder the civil war had so many casualties.....
 
Chem, that doesn't surprise me in the least (about the bills). Yet another reason to stock up now, especially since Pyrodex is an [whisper]explosive[/whisper].

I've seen old photos of TWONA wounds. The numbers for roundball and Minie aren't impressive, but the terminal ballistics are.
 
Yeah... and a few of the shops that normally DO NOT sell Pyrodex/Goex are now trying to get you to sign a statement that you are over 21 and it has all the same info that a 4473 does... seems that they(these few dealers) are either trying to CYA or they are squarely for it (regulation)

These dealers only sell a few BP firearms by special request only


here is the link and an short over view

http://www.senate.gov/~moynihan/

LAW ENFORCEMENT

S. 152 -- The Handgun Ammunition Control Act of 1999
The Handgun Ammunition Control Act of 1999 -- A bill to improve our information about the regulation and criminal use of ammunition and to prevent the irresponsible production of ammunition.

S. 155 -- The Violent Crime Control Act of 1999
The Violent Crime Control Act of 1999 -- A bill to provide for the collection and dissemination of information on injuries, death, and family dissolution due to bullet related violence, to require the keeping of records with respect to dispositions of ammunition, and to increase the tax on certain bullets.

S. 158 -- The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act of 1999
The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Amendment Act of 1999 -- A bill to regulate the manufacture, importation, and sale of ammunition capable of piercing police body armor.

S. 157 -- The Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1999
The Real Cost of Handgun Ammunition Act of 1999 -- A bill to tax 9 millimeter, .25 caliber, .32 caliber bullets.

S. 156 -- The Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1999
The Violent Crime Reduction Act of 1999 -- A bill to prevent the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition.

S. 153 -- The Destructive Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1999
The Real Cost of Destructive Ammunition Act -- A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the tax on handgun ammunition, to impose the special occupational tax and registration requirements on importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition.

S. 154 -- The Real Cost of Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1999
The Destructive Ammunition Prohibition Act of 1999 -- A bill to prevent certain types of ammunition, hollow-tipped bullets, from reaching the marketplace.

S. 141 -- A Bill to Amend Section 845 of Title 18, United States Code, Relating to Explosive Materials
A Bill To Amend Section 845 Of Title 18, Unites States Code, Relating To Explosive Material -- A bill to place restrictions on who can purchase black powder.

S. 142 -- A Bill to Amend Section 842 of Title 18, United States Code, Relating to Record Keeping Requirements for Explosive Materials Transfers
A Bill to Amend Section 842 Of Title 18, United States Code, Relating to Record Keeping Requirements for Explosive Materials Transfers -- A bill to require vendors of explosives to notify the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms when they sell such items.

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WHAT REALLY GALLS MY (SELF)is that the BATF people that conducted these "sessions" with the dealers in BP items STILL claim that Pyrodex/GOEX are explosives when in fact, they have been classified as "propellants" for about 35-40 years now,
and that "caps" are "primers".....


We have one dealer here (James Country Merchantile) that has not caved in on these issues....but they say they may have to in order to stay in business....

I sometimes wonder were they find these people?


(sorry... I seem to be repeating myself))


[This message has been edited by CHEMNCO917 (edited April 25, 2000).]
 
If it's not about the kid, then I'm not even reading it, because obviously the kid's the most important political issue of our time.
 
Connieach, that blk powder stuff is a lot of fun,,,,,,,,try the rifles as well there all an absolute blast.....suprisingly accurate as well....and they make big holes....fubsy.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coinneach:

As I was born in 1969....
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What a great year that was! Man landed on the moon, Coinneach was born, I was born.... :) :) :)

We gonna road trip to Missouri for the shoot after I get myself moved to Greeley?
 
12-34hom,
I do the exact same thing when I look at the daily assault on our RKBA and other issues that used to be "normal". Like the Pledge of Allegiance, a prayer for someone in school, and respect for our elders.

I OTOH, would like to go back to the 50's (no I wasn't around yet) when this country was proud of what we were and realized that OUR Country was founded on a belief in God and the Constitution. The ideas we have forbidden already are things that made us what we WERE.


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Until the antis put a sign in their front yard that says they don't own guns, they are riding on the shirt-tail of the safety that we provide by owning them.
 
Well, I was born in 1950 and was taught in school that the 2nd Amendment was to protect the citizenry from an oppressive government.
My first formal shooting training was at the high school gym, in a gun club sponsored by the local police and the NRA. My brothers had
_many_ guns that they bought wherever they pleased. I have a picture of my oldest brother from the 1950's showing him on our front lawn in Flint, MI kneeling and aiming his new scoped 30-06 (there are no police squads in the picture, either). I also remember that, even though our part of town was in Flint was pretty rough, there were few shootings. Glad they passed all those gun laws to change that.

Dick
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coinneach:
(note: This is NOT about The Kid)


bp guns aren't subject to registration.

Until 1968, *all* handguns, bp or modern, were sold this way. Ya pays yer money and takes yer choice, no questions asked. As I was born in 1969, I've never known how it felt to just buy a gun and walk out of the store in 2 minutes. I've always known there was something wrong with the current system, but it never really hit me on a personal level. Now I have a glimmering of a suspicion of how freedom lost really feels.

Next on the list: a Hawken .54.
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Welcome to the club Coinneach.

I wish that more gun owners would realize this too. The gun control act of 1968 was in large part taken directly from the 1938 German gun confiscation laws which Hitler used several years later when he gained power. The same is eventually in store for us IF history tends to repeat itself. Some people think that I'm just stirring up trouble by rejecting the Project Exile programs promoted by gun confiscators like HCI, but it is simply a reflection upon the following fact:

1. The right and responsibility to keep and bear arms in order to provide protection for one's family and self is a right granted by the God of the Bible, not a favor granted by Uncle Sam.

2. If we pursue a No tollerance policy and one to enforce existing gun laws; we by our actions are rejecting the fact that our *rights* are granted by God, and that all gun laws are unjust.

Of course anyone is free to disagree with what I said. At least until we loose our God given RIGHT to peacable assembly and discourse.

robert

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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
 
I remember when you could mail order any gun, except a full auto, and there were no restrictions. In 1960 I ordered a 1911 through the NRA from the DCM. It cost me $12.50 plus S&H, which brought the price to around $20. I always preferred to carry my own firearm on duty. Partially that was a result of a fear I might lose it and I didn't want to lose Uncle's. Maybe not too smart! I always remember that when I got to Alaska and was Post OD I had to carry a .45. However, it was empty. Seems that a young Lt. at the end of his tour worked the action, removed the magazine, and shot a hole through the ceiling. No more ammo for the OD. I also bought a Springfield 03A3 from the DCM. Seems it was about the same price as the .45. The 1911 was "unserviceable" but I am still using mine today, although it is semi retired. Even then the liberals wanted to register all guns, so we've been fighting this battle a long time. We have lost a lot of freedoms and seem to be losing the battle, I fear. It's no coincidence that we have turned from truth in the same time frame. Absolute truth results in freedom. I would be willing to go back to the '50s on balance. Sure would miss some of the modern things like this computer. I still have the wonderful wife that I married in 1954 and she put me through the last three years of college. Best to all, Jerry
 
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