The United States of Amnesia

DC

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THE UNITED STATES OF
AMNESIA

WASHINGTON -- The battle over gun control
has exposed our political culture of amnesia.
Most of us have forgotten how our own
ancestors thought about politics.

The debate rages over the merits of gun
ownership. Opponents of gun control cite the
Second Amendment; while proponents argue that the
amendment allows only state militias, and that gun ownership
isn't an individual right.

Both sides have it wrong. The Second Amendment, like the
rest of the Bill of Rights, was meant to inhibit only the federal
government, not the states. The framers, as The Federalist
Papers attest (see No. 28), saw the state militias as forces that
might be summoned into action against the federal government
itself, if it became tyrannical.

But since 1925, the U.S. Supreme Court has increasingly held
that the 14th Amendment requires the "incorporation" of the Bill
of Rights by the states. So the states must now respect the
freedoms of religion, speech and press, among other things.
Yet the court has never held that the states must respect the
right to keep and bear arms. It has permitted gun control --
federal, state and local. (The Second Amendment somehow
lacks the expansive "penumbras" and "emanations" the court
has found in other amendments.)

So the old distinction between federal and state government --
somewhat like the difference between a family and a private
club -- has been lost. The premise of the Constitution is that
there is something deeply and essentially different between a
state and a mere federation, to which only a few specific
powers are "delegated."

Originally, the states were self-contained -- 13 "free and
independent states," as the Declaration of Independence put it.
This required 13 separate peace treaties with Great Britain at
the end of the Revolutionary War.

After that war, the states formed an association codified in the
Articles of Confederation, which stipulated that "each state
retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every
power, jurisdiction and right which is not by this confederation
expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress
assembled." When the Constitution was ratified, the right of
each state to withdraw from the Union was asserted by three
states and challenged by none. The "confederation" was a
voluntary association among the states.

A generation later, with the rise of American nationalism, the
right of withdrawal was denied. The voluntary federation
became an iron cage. When Lincoln equated secession with
"treason," what had been a right became a capital crime. There
could be no right to secede, Lincoln implied, no matter how
tyrannical the federal government might become.

The Civil War left the federal government a potentially
totalitarian power, which it was vain for the states to resist.
Three postwar amendments gave the federal government new
powers over the internal affairs of the states. Since then, federal
courts have expanded the meanings of these amendments to
repeal, in effect, the powers reserved to the states under the
10th Amendment.

This process has created lasting confusion about the very
nature of federalism. We no longer ask ourselves the obvious
questions: How is a state different from a federation of states?
What kind of laws may be appropriate to a state, but not to a
federation? Why might gun control, for example, be left to the
states, but not entrusted to the federal government?

The result is that Americans now think of the individual states
as mere subdivisions -- administrative units, so to speak -- of a
single, monolithic, yet allegedly "federal" system. It follows that
state laws should be generally uniform, modeled on federal law.
The federal courts look on idiosyncrasies of individual states
with suspicion and hostility.

Gone is the idea, enunciated by James Madison, that the
powers of the federation should be "few and defined," leaving
all others -- "numerous and indefinite," as he called them -- to
the states. Americans today rarely think of the states as prior to
the federal government; we are puzzled by a Robert E. Lee's
conviction that he owed his first loyalty to his home state, not to
the federation.

In the long run, Lincoln's "Union" -- which, adopting the idiom
of 19th-century nationalism, he called "the nation" -- has almost
entirely supplanted the "free and independent states." As so
often happens, we have been induced to change our minds
without realizing it.

COPYRIGHT 1999 UNIVERSAL PRESS SYNDICATE [/quote]

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Correct me if what I express here is incorrect, but if the Bill of Rights enumerates pre-existing inherant rights separate from those "granted" by government, how is it possible that the states could be allowed to pass "infringment" laws on these first 10 amendments?

It has been my thought that being part of the Union meant the acceptance in whole of the Constitution and the restrictions placed upon government by it. Or are there NO restrictions on state government except by their own constitutions, which, if I understand this article correctly, can be expressly contrary to any or all of the Bill of Rights?

Much confusing abounds...

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

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referal #2005932
 
DC,
I REALLY like the thread title and it moves me (ahem) to think of a follow-up.

How about we classify gun control as "Milk of Amnesia"?

That would get across:
1) the total lack of rational thought behind gun control, and
2) the physiological effect it has on us gun owners!

Sorry if this is off thread but you got me started.... :D
 
Okay, so no one knows?

The questions still remain.

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.quixtar.com
referal #2005932
 
There are three big legal questions which the courts must clarify about the second amendment:

1. Is it an individual or state militia right? (This is being tested in Emerson, a federal only charge against Emerson)

2. What is the extent of the right? No one knows.

3. IF an individul right (yes, it is, obviously), then does the Second prohibit the States from infringing it? I wrote a forty-something paged law school thesis on this question. The 20th century law says that rights contained in the Bill of Rights ARE "incorporated" as an equal prohibition on the states IF the right is, in essence, a FUNDAMENTAL one. This has expressly included, via caselaw, the first, fourth, fifth, sixth, and others. Of course, the Second is fundamental, but the gov't will be arguing that it's not, and the supreme court has not touched this issue since about the 1910s. But at least one specific case which held (in the late 1800s or early 1900s) that the Second was NOT incorporated as against the states was expressly overruled by a subsequent Supreme Court opinion as to its co-holding that the FIRST amendment did not act to limit a state's power. So the law is clearly outdated, and any honest court that is convinced that the Second, like the First, is a fundamental right (which history shows it is), will rule that the Second is indeed a prohibition on a State's ability to infringe the RKBA. So don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It will be much easier to secure our rights, of course, by a two-step process, rather than asking a court to take a giant bite of declaration about the Second as to both its individuality and it's application to the states. So that's the beauty of Emerson: Take the first bite in the federal charge (Lautenberg) and get a firmly established individual right. Once this has been done, come back and show the courts it also limits the states. This should be a slam-dunk once the first step is taken. However, at least one state supreme court (Conn) has actually had enough pea-brained members to declare that the RKBA, as found in the STATE's bill of rights, is NOT a fundamental right. However, as found in the U.S. BOR, it is - there are many tests for whether a right is fundamental, and the second scores on all counts.
 
Futo, I take a much simpler view of the Second:

It says, "shall not be infringed." PERIOD. It doesn't say, "shall not be infringed, except by the states, or some hoplophobic pinheads."


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"America needs additional gun laws like a giraffe needs snow tires."
--Rabbi Mermelstein, JPFO
 
If I'm not mistaken, the Bill of Rights were a prerequisite to the states' ratification of the Constitution precisely so the people, whatever state they lived in, would be guaranteed that their right to bear arms would not be infringed. It wouldn't make any sense for the states to turn around and infringe upon the very rights they insisted upon.

Ironically, that's exactly what's happened. The feds have infringed by regulating the sale/ownership ("keeping") of firearms; the states have infringed by regulating the carrying ("bearing") of firearms.

Vermont is the only state in the union that does not infringe upon its citizens 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

In my opinion, trying to get the federal government to change its gun control is about as likely as seeing the Pope in Hooters.

It would be much easier to get (many of the) states to abandon their unconstitutional laws. Then it becomes a matter of the states upholding the 2nd amendment while the feds do not. If the states were more clearly on our side, the feds would have a more difficult time passing more laws and upholding the bad ones that exist now.

So what do we do? Content ourselves with the sorry state of affairs as they are, and wait for the next shoe to drop? Or do we get after our state legislatures and take the offensive while we can still do so democratically?

[This message has been edited by bamaflier (edited September 28, 1999).]
 
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