The Truth About Miami from Janet Reno

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Janet Reno met with a group of United States senators and told them her version of the truth. A Democratic senator and a Republican senator held a press cpnferrence. They reported that she said
1) no force of any kind was used during the raid on the Gonzales home, "There was only a show of force"
2) She had definite intelligence that "there were guns in the house" When asked to show any evidence that this was true she could noy do so" She meant that the female agent who snatched the boy and carried him screaming and crying from the house was not carrying a weapon.
4) the weapons carried into the house (H&K MP5 submachine guns) were not military weapons or assualt weapons but standard police weapons
5) no guns were pointed at anyone inside the house and there would have been no danger if they had because all her agents had the safeties on their weapons set on safe
6) She hopes that the arrest warrant for Elan and the serch warrant were legal, but she does not know for certain. "The courts will have to decide."

And so on and so forth.

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[This message has been edited by Hard Ball (edited April 27, 2000).]
 
I had to read this thread due to the novelty of seeing the words "truth" and "Janet Reno" in the same sentence.

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Tamara's House o' Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
One of the relatives was quoted as saying that Uncle Lazaro was pinned on the couch by agents, but apparently he did not resist because no force was necessary.

HOW LONG OH LORD HOW LONG???

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Better days to be,

Ed
 
It's good to know that, if a dynamic entry is ever made on my home, as long as I keep the safety on my 1911 engaged, finger off the trigger and don't point it exactly, precisely, directly at anyone...it will not be considered force and they won't shoot me full of holes with their non-military, non-assault fully automatic MP-5's!

Thanks for posting this thread - I feel a lot better!

Mikey
 
While the nation is pleasantly distracted with the Eilan episode, what else is going on in the sordid halls of the White House and Congress? Empty minds want to know.
 
Wait a minute, the MP5 is "not a military weapon"? Then why can't I get one at my local gunshop? I have been looking for something more PC than my SKS sporter.
 
I've been reading the book "You Can't Do Business With Hitler", published in 1941 and written by an American businessman who worked in Berlin during the Nazi rise to power.

The most significant point (there are many of significance) is that the Nazis discovered and acted on a fact that gives them a significant advantage over honorable and righteous people: you can, indeed, lie and get away with much. With enough soothing words and obfuscating rationalizations, most people will agree to anything you want...and you can then break the agreement and repeat the process, all to great advantage and personal gain.

Clinton & Co. have learned the same. By flagrantly lying, and couching lies in soothing words ("law abiding", "due process", "safety on", blah blah blah), by discreetly dolling out extremely harsh punishment to dissenters, and by gradually increasing this rhetoric they can persuade 70+% of the people to happily agree with almost anything.

History is repeating. May some of us learn from it.
 
Oh boy,
I sure would like me one a those nice standard poleece guns.

What the Cubanos actually heard was:
"Give us the kid or I'll take this off 'Safe' and shoot you!"
 
Weapons on 'safe' my @$$! Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but I see the standard HK white zero (safe) at about 10 o'clock then the selector indicator hash and the first firing option (usually single shot) blurred together at 9 o'clock.
Maybe the white zero I see is actually light glare off of an ambidextrous selector (which aren't *that* common).
 
I was listening to NPR yesterday (Great way to get the blood pumping) :) and some idiot senator was saying that we needed to get over the Elian case and let the government get back to the real business ( gun control, SS,etc) For thos who feel that we spend too much time on this issue, I say that the raid is probably THE most important thing that the senate should be looking into. The raid is a statement of what our country is becoming, and this issue (freedom vs stormtrooper tactics), as well as the abuse of power from the executive branch, is more important than just about any current issue being talked about in the legislature.
Yeesh, sorry about the length

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Rob
From the Committee to Use Proffesional Politicians as Lab Animals
 
Sounds like the same comment that was made during the impeachment trial... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Let's let govenment get back to business...[/quote]

Same lie, different day.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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crobrun, please be a little more specific next time. When you refer to the government getting back to business, and you mention 'SS', I'm not sure whether you mean social security or our stormtroopers ... ;)

Regards from AZ
 
More TRVTH from Dammit Janet:

"They were no different than good rental cars." --Referring to the tanks used in the Final Solution at Waco.

2+2=... anyone? Anyone?
 
THANK YOU JORDAN! I thought I was the only one that noticed that little "blur" on the indicator! Even if the JBT's finger "was off the trigger, and the safety was engaged" you can bet your azimuth that his THUMB was ON the selector!
Whata revoltin' development!- Dakotan

Well, back to government business.....as soon as I finish throwing up.
 
You know, one day these chickens are going to come home to roost. One day, every one of these hypocritical ex-flower children who defend this thuggery is going to be made to look back on their defense. One day, they'll see video tapes of themselves defending the same repressive, rights-trampling "Establishment" they opposed so vehemently in the counter-culture '60's. One day, they will see themselves excusing those who were "only following orders", or "upholding the rule of law". And they will despise themselves for it.

IMHO, the only reason the Administration apologists in government and the press can defend the indefensible without retching is that they hate (a word I don't use loosely) those who have taken the lead in expressing outrage at this act. Bob Barr, Bob Smith, Tom DeLay represent to the defenders all that is contemptible in American politics today. The problem is, these targets of hate will one day fade from the scene. The damage done by the Gestapo-like tactics, and the culture this thuggery promotes will live on.
 
Sooooo??? Let me get this straight...display of force isn't use of force???

So now it must be OK with the Justice Dept. for me to go hold up a bank, as long as I don't shoot anyone. If they give me money then it's obviously voluntary, because no force was used.

This makes me sick!!!
 
Looks to me as though the government never stopped getting around to "SS" business... Of course in Waco, to be absolutely technical, it was more like "SD" business...

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
I am still waiting for someone to tell me where I can get on of those "ordinary police rifles", I seem to find any MP-5's at the local gunshops. :D Maybe I should e-mail Janet Reno and ask her?
 
So the MP5 isn't a weapon issued by the US military? Somebody had better tell the SEALs and Marines that they are carrying personal weapons! Does that mean they can take them home when they leave the service?

The MP5 isn't a military issue weapon in 2000 just like the short-barreled shotgun wasn't a military issue weapon in 1939. What the hell, it worked in Miller.
 
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