The truth About Gun Shows

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>
> >From David Kopel at the Independence Institute.
>
> The Truth about Gun Shows
>
> By Dave Kopel
>
> "Close the gun show loophole" demands Handgun Control, Inc. The major
> obstacle to Congress complying with HCI's wishes appears to be the
> desire of
> many Democrats to preserve gun shows as a campaign issue in the 2000
> election. But if the voters learn the facts about gun shows, they will
> discover that there is no gun show loophole, no gun show crime problem,
> and
> no reason to adopt federal legislation whose main impact would be to
> infringe First and Second Amendment rights.
>
> Despite what some media commentators have claimed, existing gun laws
> apply
> just as much to gun shows as they do to any other place where guns are
> sold.
> Ever since 1938, persons engaged in the business of selling firearms have
> been required to obtain a federal firearms license. If a dealer sells a
> gun
> from a storefront, from a room in his home, or from a table at a gun
> show,
> the rules are exactly the same: he must call the FBI and get
> authorization
> for the sale, after the FBI runs its "instant" background check (which
> often
> takes days to complete). As a result, firearms are the most severely
> regulated consumer product in the U.S.-the only product for which FBI
> permission is required for every single sale.
>
> Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business, but who sell
> firearms from time to time (like a man who sells a spare hunting rifle to
> his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license for
> gun
> dealers, or to call the FBI before completing the sale.
>
> Similarly, if a gun collector dies and his widow wants to sell the guns,
> she
> does not need a federal firearms license because since she is just
> selling
> off inherited property and is not "engaged in the business." And if the
> widow doesn't want to sell her deceased husband's guns by taking out a
> classified ad in the newspaper, it is lawful for her to rent a table a
> gun
> show, and sell the entire collection in a weekend or two.
>
> If you walk the aisles at any gun show, you will find that the
> overwhelming
> majority of guns offered for sale are from licensed federal dealers. Guns
> sold by private individuals (such as gun collectors getting rid of a gun
> or
> two over the course of the weekend) are the distinct minority.
>
> Yet HCI claims that "25-50 percent of the vendors at most gun shows are
> unlicensed dealers." This statistic is true only if one counts vendors
> who aren't selling guns (e.g., vendors who are selling books, clothing,
> or
> accessories) as "unlicensed dealers."
>
> Denver Congresswoman Diana DeGette says that 70% of crime guns come from
> gun
> shows. The true figure is rather different, according to the National
> Institute of Justice (NIJ), the research arm of the U.S. Department of
> Justice. According to an NIJ study released in December 1997 ("Homicide
> in
> Eight U.S. Cities," a report which covers much more than homicide), only
> 2%
> of criminal guns came from gun shows.
>
> This result is consistent with a mid-1980s study for the NIJ,
> investigating
> the gun purchase and use habits of convicted felons in 12 state prisons.
> The
> study (later published as the book Armed and Considered Dangerous) found
> that gun shows were such a minor part of criminal gun acquisition that
> they
> were not even worth reporting as a separate figure.
>
> At the most recent meeting of the American Society of Criminology, a
> study
> of youthful offenders in Michigan found that only 3% had acquired their
> last
> handgun via a gun show. (Of course some criminal gun acquisition at gun
> shows is perpetrated by "straw purchasers" who are legal gun buyers who
> are
> acting as surrogates for the criminal who wants the gun. Straw purchases
> have been federal felonies since 1968.)
>
> And according to a report by the educational arm of HCI, the group's own
> survey of major-city police chiefs found only 2 out of 48 who said that
> guns
> from gun shows (both "legal and illegal sales" according to the
> questionnaire) were an important problem in their city.
>
> Although the horrible murders at Columbine High School have energized
> anti-gun activists, no proposed federal law would have made any
> difference.
>
> The adults who supplied the Columbine murder weapons (Robin Anderson and
> Mark Manes) were legal purchasers.
>
> Since gun shows take place entirely within the boundaries of a single
> state,
> Congress has no legitimate constitutional basis, under its "interstate
> commerce" power, to attempt to control gun shows.
>
> Nevertheless, both houses of Congress have passed gun show legislation.
> The
> House bill does only what the gun control advocates claim to want:
> imposing
> federal background checks on personal sales at gun shows.
>
> The Senate version-passed 51-50 thanks to Vice-President Gore-goes much
> further, and sets the stage for gun shows to be destroyed. The Senate
> bill
> gives the Secretary of the Treasury nearly unlimited power to regulate
> gun
> show sales.
>
> In the past, Treasury has abused its administrative authority over
> firearms
> to ban certain guns, so similar treatment for gun shows can be expected.
> For
> example, the Treasury banned the import of various rifles which were
> popular
> with competitive target shooters. Although a federal statute specifically
> orders Treasury to allow the import of "sporting" firearms, Treasury
> claimed
> that only firearms which were recommended by hunting guides were
> "sporting."
>
> The Senate version also imposes a tax on gun show promoters, and allows
> the
> Secretary of the Treasury unlimited power in setting the tax level. One
> can
> bet that in this case, the power to tax really will be the power to
> destroy.
>
> Gun shows are huge gathering points for people who are interested in
> Second
> Amendment issues. Gun rights groups frequently set up booths at gun
> shows to
> distribute literature and to recruit members. Gun shows are places where
> Americans properly exercise their First and Second Amendment rights, and
> neither gun show patrons nor vendors deserve the mean-spirited campaign
> of
> abuse to which they have been subjected.
>
> Dave Kopel is Research Director at the Independence Institute, a civil
> liberties think tank in Golden, CO http://i2i.org
>
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> network, is offered for your use at no charge. Independence Feature
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> necessarily representing the views of the Independence Institute or as an
> attempt to influence any election or legislative action.
>
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25 to 50% Wow... Are they counting parking tickets too?
That rate sounds so over the top...
Gun Shows are absolutly CRAWLING with Agents.
And everyone knows it... Every one but the Sheople who Voted Clinton into office Twice.

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The BEST thing you can do is convince at least one anti to come to a show with you. I got one to come with me to one this year, I'm working on my second now. Just take them in, let them walk around and answer their inevitable questions. No one can look at an actual show and believe that BS.
The added advantage IMHO is that normally anti's tell me I'm the exception to the rule (kinda like people who aren't racists because they have a black "friend") but at a gunshow that would be a LOT of exceptions . . . .

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Don

"Its not criminals that go into schools and shoot children"
--Ann Pearston, British Gun Control apologist and moron
 
I agree, and like gwinnydapooh said about taking an anti to one. Then show them that the gun dealers are licensed and use the NICS for every sale, and the unlicensed dealers who are selling the books, t-shirts, survival gear, etc.
Then point out a few of the ATF agents (who are usually pretty obvious ;)), and mention the family atmosphere as well.

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With the wife being Canadian she was never exposed to guns or guns shows till she was lucky enough to meet me :) :)

Now that we live a hop skip and jump from Denver she has been exposed to some semi large gun shows. Her first few shows in Denver were a real eye opener and she was suprised that as crowded they were people were extremly polite. She was also suprised that how many women and children attended the showes, when I first told her we would be taking the girls she thought I was a bit more touched than normal but now she watches the papers for them and enjoys going :)
 
Yes, a big bonus if federales close gun shows is that political talk will be even more eliminated. About the only aware groups of Americans left,besides shortwave listeners and a "few" people on the internet,are people who go to gu shows. At least some of them anyway.
 
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