The tribes are merging full strength, and Big Brother begins!!

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Futo Inu

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Wow, these shows fascinate me! Now, I know this topic could be viewed non-gun, so here are my questions to make it gun-related: Which gun would take on the island, and which one would you want in that house with the other nine people? Plus you have to please indulge me, as I have NO water cooler talk in my office, since it's just me and my legal assistant (and no water cooler).

This Big Brother thing looks incredibly wild. If you didn't see the first episode, try to find someone who taped it, as it details the premise of the show, and the 10 participants' background. That would drive me absolutely insane, living there with no outside contact, no dogs, no guns, just nine other morons. I could be a pretty good Survivor, but I could never survive that BB house. The best news about Big Brother is that it's likely to kick "West Wing" square in the ratings a$$. I for one will be tuning in. I hope that the freaky virgin chick gets voted out first. What good does a virgin do in a house where the ONLY form of entertainment is sex? What a waste of space. I predict that Asian law clerk guy will win, or if not him, then George.

As for survivor, looks like Joel bore the brunt of Gervase's comments. Not fair. Should get cut-throat interesting when they merge next week. Tagi pulled out a close call in the immunity challenge - they'd have all been toast if'n they'd merged at 6-4.

BTW, in the house, I would want a squirt gun to wet the t-shirts of the chicks, or maybe my G30 with the plastic or rubber .45 bullets, a buttload of magnum primers, 500 flash-hole-enlarged cases, and a hand-priming tool, for plinking around the house, or maybe even my RWS 34 for picking off birds in the backyard.

On the island, I'd take along my 10/22 or a spear-gun, for the game food sources there. I think with rats as the primary animal food source, a shotgun would destroy too much meat, though a shotgun may be a better choice for monkeys.

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Futo, I'm a Survivor addict too. I'm thinking about applying for the next round, in Australia.

I'd leave the spearfishing to Richard, and bring a rimfire for roast monkey!

Gervase is making a good job of having his cake and eating it - the con artist of the group.

On the other hand, Susan is the real deal:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Currently employed as a (concrete) truck driver, she previously owned and operated a hunting and fishing camp in N.W. Ontario, Canada. Prior to that, she worked as a horse trainer and a waitress/bartender.
Susan's three favorite hobbies are hunting, swimming and fishing. She enjoys hunting birds with her dogs, Ellie and Stinky. She describes herself as motivated, resourceful, and flexible.[/quote]

Delete husband, add Rodrigo, roll credits...
 
Ummm....nevermind the house if you stuck ME in there....half the girls would end up pregnant. ;)

As far as 'survivor'...the show is a joke. [no offense here y'all] The shows name is derived from the last person who is left on the isle...the 'survivor'. Not because it has anything to do with survival-do you think in a survival situation you'd be given maps of buried water buckets and given chickens and fruit?

Everyone there gets money-even the first ones voted off the isle. ~yawwwnnn~ They should let me on the show-who needs the chickens and water caches when the isle provides it all?

As far as a gun....probably a shotgun...and a case of #4 shot. Good for birds, fish, monkeys, etc...the other tribe? Don't know and don't care unless they are going to be shooting at me-paintball guns for them!

[Has anyone considered if it were a REAL 'survival' situation how much fresh meat the other tribe and members of your own tribe are-Meals on Wheels! ;) ]
 
Yeah, Susan's cool! Didn't Ramona let it slip that Susan's a "survivor", when asked to describe her? So maybe she won it all. What an idget (Ramona that is). But the show's still interesting, and we don't know for sure anyway.

Meanwhile, Greg's back in the woods with Colleen, knockin' him off a chunk. I'm wondering which guy will break down and do the same with Richard? :D Yuk. I'd like to vote that fat boy Richard off myself, because he's so damn "clique-ey". I'm joking (mostly).

Hey, can anyone tell me, on the one luxury item each participant on Survivor was allowed to bring, was a gun prohibited? Seems like they picked some lame luxury items. What were the parameters?

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i say let's have a real survivor show. take an island wire it with cameras to observe and turn loose a group of hand picked guys and gals. man we are talking "Lord of the Flies" 2000. WHEWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
give them minimum tools and a rich enviroment with plenty of native food (read tropical) and let the games begin. you could let the wimps plead for removal in front of a camera when they get too hungry or tired of it.
it would take miles of editing but the cable rights alone would be incredible. not to mention the X rated stuff when nature tokes it's course.
incentive.... lets talk at least $10,000,000

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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
 
Personally I don't like these "reality" based shows very much. But I would pay lots of money to watch a season of The Real World if the contestants where: A Serb, an Albanian Kosovar, a neo-nazi skinhead, a member of the black panthers, a Palestinian terrorist, and an Israeli Mossad agent. They would have to make them all go through metal detectors every time they entered the house though. :)
 
"Survivor" has some intrest, but like somebody said, it ain't about survival skills. The average First Class Boy Scout is far more skilled to survive than any of these morons.
"Big Brother"? Think about the name. Nuff said.

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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
 
This reality show, as previously mentioned, has nothing to do with surviving. I've never seen so many people sunbathing and slacking and basically lolly-gaggin' around, waiting for the next 'challenge' when they have a chance to 'win' some food; instead of just going into the bush and getting some food. Have you seen the crabs running around freely on the beach? Have you seen the bugs and stuff running around the jungle? And what does the cast do? They ignore the juicy, meaty bugs and crabs and head for tapioca roots.

But this is not the real problem. The real problem comes in what is being learned by the viewers. What do they learn? They learn that it doesn't pay to be a TEAM player (that'll get you kicked off the island because you'll be labeled as someone having the audacity to assume a leadership position), you can't be a leader (that'll get you kicked off the island for being pushy and bossy..oh, my!). Individuals who slack the most and gather no food and don't cook and don't build stuff but can help our team 'win the food by running fast at the challenge' are in for the long haul. Lesson learned? Being a slacker and an indidual and not being a team player will make you into a SURVIVOR!

I'm surprised Rudy the Navy SEAL hasn't preached more about TEAM. Then again, I'm not surprised, because doing so would get him kicked off the island.

A stupid show it is. But even more stupid is what it teaches: Individualism over the Sanctity of the Team.

*barf*

People love reality shows. It beats the normal, senseless dribble that shows up at primetime: same ol' story lines, same ol' jokes. The government probably likes the citenzry to like these shows as well. Why? Because these shows are basically teaching people how they should act. "Well this is how REAL people on REALITY shows act, so that's obviously what *I* should do."

My $.02...

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My wife asked me what luxury item I would bring and I said "My 10/22 and 500 rounds of ammo.". She said that would be 501 luxury items... darn it! Foiled again!
 
I cannot imagine how these shows could NOT be interesting to someone. I guess it's just a matter of taste. But you guys are smoking dope - Survivor is most certainly about surviving - these guys are dropping weight like crazy, and only a few of the challenges end up with ONE of the tribes getting a SMALL amount of food. There's always a loser. But Big Brother looks 100 times more interesting than Survivor even, regardless of the name or concept. If you watched the first episode, I think you'd be wanting to watch this show, IMO. Just because I wouldn't in a million years want someone watching me doesn't mean it's not a fascinating social experiment. It's real world to the tenth power. Corriera, good idea, but you have to know that regardless of these people's backgrounds, they're going to want to kill each other after a few weeks in that tiny place. In fact, come to think of it, on the subject of weapons, there's bound to be knives in the kitchen of that house, so instead of the water pistol, I'd want to throw my G30 into that suitcase for Big Brother. Ta-tas Up, I do agree with your assessment that Survivor teaches the wrong message, and anyone with enough leadership cahones to get the tribe's act together is voted off as too bossy. That much is true.

Added: Oops, I didn't realize they were getting supplies of rice and other items. I thought they were actually living off the land - I missed the first few episodes - kinda changes things for me.

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Here's an interesting view of the show by Debbie Schlussel.

Survivor: Politically
Correct Darwinism
http://www.jewishworldreview.com --
PUT SEVERAL QUIRKY, self-absorbed
characters together on a popular show about
nothing. And you get . . . "Seinfeld"? No,
unfortunately, you get "Survivor," this summer's
television ratings champ. And it's a whole lot less
entertaining.

It's also a whole lot more politically correct (PC).
One of the few PC "Seinfeld" moments that comes
to mind involves Elaine's seemingly perfect, hunky
boyfriend who turns out to be a pro-lifer, a fatal
flaw. "Some day there'll be enough Justices on the
Court to overturn that law," he says, and Elaine's
finished dating him. But that's the only PC "Seinfeld"
episode I can remember.

In contrast, on CBS' "Survivor" -- revolving around
16 individuals "marooned" on a Southeast Asian
island to fend for themselves -- every show is that
way. The heroes -- the survivors -- are the gay guy,
the butch female truck-driver, the promiscuous, the
women, the single moms, the strong, and the young.
The villains are the religious, the chaste, the rich, the
men, the weak, and the old. Why do I feel like I'm
watching a preview of the Democratic National
Convention?

Every week, a contestant is voted off the island,
with the "Survivor" winning $1 million, and, so far,
the rejects have been from the villainous categories
identified above. Darwin would love this show, and
so should the liberals. Not only is it survival of the
fittest, it's survival of the PC-est.

True, it's real life. But the "Survivors" were on the
island for 39 days, and winnowing the film down to
nine or so hours of programming, the producers
were quite pointed in crafting the show and its cast
to promote their PC views, leaving reality on the
cutting room floor.

Richard is an openly gay corporate trainer who walks around naked. An
openly gay contestant on TV? Shouldn't he be on "Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire?" He is a hero, spearing lots of fish -- the hungry islanders'
only nourishment -- while Dirk, a dairy farmer, who is a religious
Christian and a virgin, sits on a raft for days with a fishing pole and
catches nothing.

It figures a "Bible thumper" wouldn't be worthy on this vapid, value-laden
show. That's why they voted him off, but not before the group denigrates
both his religious beliefs and his choice not to sleep around. The
participants are each
allowed to bring one
personal item to the
island. Dirk brought
his Bible. Rudy, a
grizzled, aged
ex-Navy SEAL,
was probably
spared the fate of
the two other senior
citizens in the group,
BB and Sonja (they
were voted off right away as "too weak"), because he has the "right"
values and is friends with the gay guy. Commenting on Dirk's Bible, Rudy
said the only reason to bring a Bible is for toilet paper. Great guy.

The one high point, if you can call it that, was when they voted the lawyer
(Stacy) off. But as far as the rest, there are events like Greg and Colleen
sneaking off to have sex. Since they've only recently met, it seems
redundant when they tell the camera, "It's all about sex," and, "Romance
had nothing to do with it." Like all real-life marooned castaways,
"Survivor" participants have a plentiful supply of condoms.

And there's even a N.O.W. chapter on the island. Or something like it.
It's presided over by overbearing, authoritarian Susan, a butch truck
driver from Wisconsin. There's also a virulent "girl power" element that's
overtaken the female islanders. That's part of the reason the women
banded together and voted to eliminate four men out of six people voted
off the island thus far.

The latest, Joel, a financial consultant, was voted off Wednesday because
the women felt he was a male chauvinist. His "chauvinistic" offense? The
thin-skinned women felt he was too All-American, too athletic, too
good-looking, and explained things too much, which they thought was
condescending.

What's even more pathetic is that Joel lamented, "My regret is that I'm
leaving the island with four women thinking I'm a chauvinist." The only
thing he should be regretting is that he wasted valuable weeks of his life
on this show with these insipid yutzes.

They should have called this show, "Jejune," which has three meanings: 1)
not interesting/dull; 2) lacking in maturity/childish; and 3) lacking in
nutrition. But "Survivor" has a much better ring to it. And a phonier one,
too. This isn't real survival. Participants have plenty of rice, pots, pans,
utensils, sunblock, and other accoutrements not typical to shipwrecked
castaways' exile, unless it's on "Gilligan's Island," which was a lot better
than "Survivor."

"Survivor" and its new CBS sister, "Big Brother," are supposed to be
part of a new, lasting TV genre of reality-based programming. But it's not
new. These shows are rip-offs of MTV's annoyingly self-absorbed
"Road Rules" and "The Real World." "Survivors" acting more like animals
than humans and eating live caterpillars? Been there, done that. It was on
MTV already.

Bob Thompson, who heads Syracuse University's Center for the Study
of Popular Television said people used to have to be good at something
to get on TV, but now, with reality TV, "You don't have to be good at
anything, anymore. You just have to be willing to lose something . . . like
your dignity." But people will get tired of seeing other people's real-life
shallowness and lack of shame. They can see that in their next-door
neighbor--a lot more exciting. And just like "Millionaire's" luster is fading,
this too-voyeur TV-shall pass.

Two of the remaining participants -- Jenna the actress-wannabe, single
mother of two, and Sean, the neurologist with headshots -- told CBS'
"48 Hours" that they went on the Island and ate rats, caterpillars, and
snakes because they want to be famous. But like the "Where's the Beef"
lady from the 80s, their politically correct 15 minutes will soon be up, and
in a few years, they'll be dead and forgotten.

Like the rodents they ate, it's time to say to the snitty "Survivor" gang:
Stick a fork in it. You're done. The only "Survivors," here, are the
mindless viewers still watching it.
 
Hmmmm, getting back to the *original question!" :)

Since they're not allowed to eat the monkeys, the lizards, the crocs, etc.., the preferred firearm would probably be an airgun, to more efficiently take the rats.

If you *could* take the bigger stuff, I might lean toward my Savage 24F .30-30 over 12 ga., though a .22 might be a better choice, since I suspect most of the "game" would be *small* game.

I agree there's not much "survival" involved. They're supplied with enough rice to have small portions each day. Everyone seems reasonably well-groomed, and I haven't heard anyone complain about body odor yet :)

It's more a psychological story.. a "Lord of the Flies" approach to un-PC and unpopular (witness the loss of two of the three older people, the lawyer, the chauvinist...)
 
Debbie Schlussel got it right. That show is nothing but PC propaganda made palatable by the fiction that it's a contest of endurance.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
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