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The SIG P210
- Thread starter abcimixab
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Walt Sherrill
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They are all they're claimed to be.
I bought mine NIB, last year, for about $1350. (Interestingly, it was made in 1978, but came directly from the distributor. It had apparently set on a warehouse shelf in the US or in Europe for a long, long time.)
Mine came with a proof target, showing a six (?) shot group of about 1 1/2" shot at 50 meters.
It'll digest just about anything, and accuracy will be superb, regardless of ammo used.
They are very well made, basically hand fitted, very accurate, and generally indestructible.
Unlike the rest of the P-series guns, they are single-action.
Be warned: they are not perfect.
They have a European style mag release. t. A fast, smooth mag exchange is nearly impossible.
Some folks get hammer bite, ala 1911 and Browning Hi-Power. (I don't.)
Handling them quickly, in competition, can lead to various cuts and scraps. During my first IDPA practice session, with mine, I sliced my offhand thumb on the sight, during a mag exchange. When I mentioned this on another forum, and several others commented that they had had the same problem, but just thought they were klutzes... I've since "dehorned" my sights, and have given serious thought to having the mag well beveled.
The sights aren't mediocre -- and there are no aftermarket sights available. A SIG adjustable sight is $200+. (A gunsmith friend says there isn't enough metal on the top of the gun to cut a different dovetail to change out the sights. While that may be true, I've seen a custom Novak P-210 that had better sights.)
The safety release should be larger; its sometimes awkward.
Most of the aftermarket mags available don't work very well, and a SIG mag is about $60.00.
You may be able to find an M-49, which is an older, Danish military version of the P-210. Its the same basic design, a little less pretty (in terms of finish), but a nice gun, nevertheless. (Sort of '58 Bel-Air instead of a '58 Impala...) Keisler's (see Shot Gun News) was selling them for a while in the $600-$900 range, depending on whether they had been factory refinished or not.
I'll keep mine, but I've found that I can shoot (in IDPA) better (far more rapidly and nearly as accurately) with my CZ-75B.
Just punching paper, however, few guns will outshoot it.
[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited March 22, 2000).]
I bought mine NIB, last year, for about $1350. (Interestingly, it was made in 1978, but came directly from the distributor. It had apparently set on a warehouse shelf in the US or in Europe for a long, long time.)
Mine came with a proof target, showing a six (?) shot group of about 1 1/2" shot at 50 meters.
It'll digest just about anything, and accuracy will be superb, regardless of ammo used.
They are very well made, basically hand fitted, very accurate, and generally indestructible.
Unlike the rest of the P-series guns, they are single-action.
Be warned: they are not perfect.
They have a European style mag release. t. A fast, smooth mag exchange is nearly impossible.
Some folks get hammer bite, ala 1911 and Browning Hi-Power. (I don't.)
Handling them quickly, in competition, can lead to various cuts and scraps. During my first IDPA practice session, with mine, I sliced my offhand thumb on the sight, during a mag exchange. When I mentioned this on another forum, and several others commented that they had had the same problem, but just thought they were klutzes... I've since "dehorned" my sights, and have given serious thought to having the mag well beveled.
The sights aren't mediocre -- and there are no aftermarket sights available. A SIG adjustable sight is $200+. (A gunsmith friend says there isn't enough metal on the top of the gun to cut a different dovetail to change out the sights. While that may be true, I've seen a custom Novak P-210 that had better sights.)
The safety release should be larger; its sometimes awkward.
Most of the aftermarket mags available don't work very well, and a SIG mag is about $60.00.
You may be able to find an M-49, which is an older, Danish military version of the P-210. Its the same basic design, a little less pretty (in terms of finish), but a nice gun, nevertheless. (Sort of '58 Bel-Air instead of a '58 Impala...) Keisler's (see Shot Gun News) was selling them for a while in the $600-$900 range, depending on whether they had been factory refinished or not.
I'll keep mine, but I've found that I can shoot (in IDPA) better (far more rapidly and nearly as accurately) with my CZ-75B.
Just punching paper, however, few guns will outshoot it.
[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited March 22, 2000).]
Thanks for the honest evaluation, Walt. If you don't mind me asking another question, how about the CZ you mentioned? I don't much about them. I thought they were relatively inexpensive pistols. If they shoot well, I might be interested. How do they group at say, 25yds? About how much do they go for?
Thanks for the help.
Thanks for the help.
Walt Sherrill
New member
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by abcimixab:
...how about the CZ you mentioned? I don't much about them. I thought they were relatively inexpensive pistols. If they shoot well, I might be interested. How do they group at say, 25yds? About how much do they go for? [/quote]
I consider handguns to be primarily up-close self-defense weapons. If your target is 25 yards away, you ought to be getting the hell out of Dodge or getting your rifle.
The CZ-75B is relatively inexpensive, but its a very user-friendly design. You can generally find them for around $300-$350. (Check http://www.empirearms.com for one dealer with a great reputation.)
I got mine at a gunshow for $275; it was mispriced, but they honored the deal, anyway. (That was Classic Arms; they advertise in Shot Gun News. A classy bunch of folks. I'll do business with them again because of the way they treated me.)
The gun has great ergonomics -- it points naturally for more shooters.
You might also look for a used (older) CZ-75 (and not one of the clones) first. The older ones are supposed to have better fit and finish. You can see them all at http://www.cz-usa.com/home.html
I've been using mine to outshoot a lot of more expensive guns in our local IDPA club.
(That includes Custom Wilson 1911s, a S&W 945, and a bunch of SIGs and Glocks.) I find that very satisfying. <grin>
The only thing I did to it was have a local gunsmith smooth the double action trigger pull; he left the single-action alone.
It can be carried cocked and locked, or with the hammer at half-cock. At half-cock, its safe but trigger pull for the DA pull is reduced substantially.
...how about the CZ you mentioned? I don't much about them. I thought they were relatively inexpensive pistols. If they shoot well, I might be interested. How do they group at say, 25yds? About how much do they go for? [/quote]
I consider handguns to be primarily up-close self-defense weapons. If your target is 25 yards away, you ought to be getting the hell out of Dodge or getting your rifle.
The CZ-75B is relatively inexpensive, but its a very user-friendly design. You can generally find them for around $300-$350. (Check http://www.empirearms.com for one dealer with a great reputation.)
I got mine at a gunshow for $275; it was mispriced, but they honored the deal, anyway. (That was Classic Arms; they advertise in Shot Gun News. A classy bunch of folks. I'll do business with them again because of the way they treated me.)
The gun has great ergonomics -- it points naturally for more shooters.
You might also look for a used (older) CZ-75 (and not one of the clones) first. The older ones are supposed to have better fit and finish. You can see them all at http://www.cz-usa.com/home.html
I've been using mine to outshoot a lot of more expensive guns in our local IDPA club.
(That includes Custom Wilson 1911s, a S&W 945, and a bunch of SIGs and Glocks.) I find that very satisfying. <grin>
The only thing I did to it was have a local gunsmith smooth the double action trigger pull; he left the single-action alone.
It can be carried cocked and locked, or with the hammer at half-cock. At half-cock, its safe but trigger pull for the DA pull is reduced substantially.
Stephen A. Camp
Staff In Memoriam
As Mr. Sherrill noted, the P210s are beautifully made handguns and the two that I've owned were exceptionally accurate and reliable. Since I don't use mine defensively, the heel magazine release is of no bother and I feel less likely to lose one of those high dollar single-stack P210 magazines! The sights are thin, but dead on for me. I wish that the rear sight didn't have a U-shaped slot, but I'm looking through it and at the top anyway when focusing on the front sight so it's no problem. The stiff thumb safety does loosen up a bit, but not much in my experience. Replacement parts are expensive, but so far I've needed none. I paid about 2K for mine which came with the .22 conversion kit. Best.