The rifle itch.... it burns!!

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I've shot handguns for a while now, but I really want to get myself a rifle (and why not, they're usually cheaper than handguns anyway.)

Let me preface this by saying that I've never shot a rifle. Period. My parents hated guns, so as a kid I never had one (besides my BB gun, but that doesn't count.)

Let me also say that I do not want a .22 caliber gun. I want an "all around gun" that I could, for instance, eventually take hunting with me.

Yes I understand that it's good to start out with a .22 as to not develop a flinch, but I think I'll be fine.

I want my rifle to...

  • Be cheap. Preferably <$500.
  • Be able to fire cheapish ammo. I understand .22 ammo is a dime a dozen (actually cheaper right?), but I direct you to my first requirement above.
  • Be able to fire accurately out to a few hundred yards. I have a fascination with accuracy and the ability to deliver accurate shots from WAY down range.
  • Possibly have a scope mounted to it. This one is more of a recommendation than a requirement. I love using iron sites, but I think I'll have more fun with some optics.
  • Be a bolt action. (Hence why I'm in this section of the forums.) I think a lever action will be annoying to shoot from the prone position. (Although it'd be awesome for more of a mid range gun.)

As I've been looking at rifle calibers today, I've consistently found that the most common calibers are 30-06, .270 winchester, and .223 (according to most lists.) I'm making the assumption that common = cheap, and from those three I think I've settled on the .270 win. Not only is it considered a great "all around" caliber (from what I've read), it is also considered an inherently accurate caliber with it's nice flat flight trajectory. (Yes I understand that it's the combination of ammo+gun+shooter that equals accuracy.) HOWEVER, I am not stuck in my mindset about this caliber. If you guys think something else would be better suited for me than by all means, let me know.

Where I live now (MT), I have the ability to go out in the forest and shoot. That also gives me the ability to find nice long ranges, so that's probably where I'll do most of my shooting. (And what better gun to carry with you in the middle of grizzly country?)

In my research (sticking with the .270 win theme here.) I've found a few guns that could fit the bill. There are a couple from savage arms (really cheap) but their website gun finder search kinda sucks. I've also seen the Winchester model 70 (little more expensive, I'd have to find one used). And I've seen Remmington 700s.

Sure, I can go to buds guns and search for 270 win, but I have NO IDEA what brands are good and which aren't. Sure, Mossberg makes good shotguns but what about rifles?

I want to get a good gun for my money. If that means buying an older slightly used gun then so be it. I think I can find a good quality gun in my price range, I just need a bit of help finding it.

Again, I'm not stuck on .270 win, so make any suggestions you guys deem necessary.

EDIT: Oh, I'll also most likely be reloading the brass as well.
 
You have not stated what you MAY use the rifle regarding hunting. This is a depending factor as to caliber and cartridge.

I know you don't want to hear this, but I still suggest you get a .22LR. It is much cheaper to practice proper form and work on your skills. I have several hunting rifles and more than one .22LR. The .22LRs get shot more often. It is also a great cartridge to introduce a person new to rifle shooting.
 
Have you taken a peek at the Savage Hog Hunter in .308? That sounds like a pretty darn good way to go to me. .308 ammunition ought to be just as plentiful, of not more so, than the .270. Plus, in my mind, it might be just a tad more flexible with bullet weights afforded to it. And, there's no doubting the .308's accuracy potential and hunting abilities. Not saying anyone has doubted the .270's, just saying the .308 has been around a while as well.

The rifle has sights, a threaded bbl (so you can play with it later with accessories if you like), and I believe a 4+1 capacity.

These folks are out of stock at the moment, but the link does give a photo and some details. http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm/id/58730/name/savage-arms-11-hog-hunter-threaded-barrel-308-winchester-20
 
For that price, a Savage would be a great choice...and I'd suggest in 243; there are loads for smaller varmints and for deer-sized animals; accurate out to the range you want, flat-shooting, and less recoil by far than the 270.

But, like others, I'd suggest a 22LR first; Ruger 10/22 or S&W MP 15-22; either will be addicting and lead to a life long collection of guns.

And please don't think you can stand up to a charging Grizzly with a bolt gun.
 
+1 on 22

I also think a 22 lr rifle is a way to start shooting rifles. Get the basics down. I have 3 22 rifles, a old bolt action of unknown origin that was handed down to me. Still shots flat is a tack driver, also a henry 22 lever action. and a S&W 15-22. They get shot far more often then my AR-M4 carbine and my M1 carbine or my M-14 clone in 308 from Springfield Armory. You are researching different rifles thats good, you are the one that is going to buy and shoot the gun so you have to make the final decision. I recommend talking to friends and see what they shot and see if they will let you shoot theirs or check out some ranges and rent a couple of guns you are most interested in. These forums can provide lots of good information in the end you have to make the final decision you have to live with it. I hunt with a 12ga pump with a rifled barrel and shoot slugs, good for deer out to a hundred yards and been know to stop a Michigan black bear.
 
Thanks for the info guys. In all honesty, I would love to start out with a .22 but... I'm don't like to buy otherwise useless guns. Everything I buy has multiple purposes. It's why I didn't start out with a .22 handgun. I REALLY wanted a Ruger Mark III Hunter (or whatever it was called) with a 6.8 inch long barrel. It would have been a tack driver. It would have taught me great skills since there is almost no recoil whatsoever. I stewed for months on it, going to the store, handling the guns etc. But in the end I convinced myself to buy a 9mm. Why? Because the gun can be used for more than just basic target/small game shooting (and is powerful enough to use for defense, if need be.) However, I WILL look into them. And I will go to the store and see which one I like more.

I will also check out the .243.

And no, I didn't think using a bolt action against a charging grizzly was a good idea. My statement was made in jest. I carry bear spray for a reason. (And as soon as I get my CCL I'll carry a small .45 for that reason as well.)
 
I understand .22 ammo is a dime a dozen (actually cheaper right?)
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Not really, the cheapest .22LR ammo runs close to 4 cents per round.

I'm making the assumption that common = cheap
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Not really

EDIT: Oh, I'll also most likely be reloading the brass as well
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Suggestion - start by learning to reload your handgun ammo, it's a great way to learn some reloading fundamentals and saves a lot of money.


I'll echo the others in encouraging you to start with .22LR for rifle.
 
Rifle: Weatherby Vanguard S2- There are many other good rifles out there under $500, but I think this is the best in that range. The best answer is the rifle that fits you best, but since you asked for an opinion, there it is.

Cartridge: If you are going to reload, any cartridge you want ( since it will all cost about to same to reload) If you are not: 308, 243, 270 and 30-06 all cost about the same and are the cheapest priced ammo out there. All will do what you described you want to or may want to do with the rifle. Best all-around of those 4, 308 or 30-06.
 
I'll second the Weatherby Vanguard Series 2, around here they can be had for $499. Have one in .223 on lay-away at the LGS. I also have a Series 1 Vanguard in 7mm Rem Mag since 2002. The S2 is an updated version with a slightly more comfortable stock and a much nicer trigger and the same silky smooth bolt. There are others out there that will perform better such as the Remington 700 line and some of the Savages, but IMO the Weatherby's are the best blend of quality, reliability, affordability, and accuracy all in one slick package.

As far as what cartridge to go with, it all depends on the shooter and purpose. .243 Win or .270 Win would be good starter cartridges.


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You say you will reload, so that broadens choices a bit. Look at a new Savage or CZ (or used anything) in 7mm-08. Basically ".270 lite," it recoils less (and less than it's parent .308) while delivering similar performance out to 300 or so as either, and offering more flexible performance for the larger animals than it's little brother, the .243. Both it and the .243, like the .308 they're based on, are short action which means shorter OAL, slightly lighter weight and, as it suggests, shorter cycling/follow-up shot time. The more compact form (but same LOP as the standards, unless a "junior" rifle) makes for a great "mountain rifle" (trekking-hunting) in any of these calibers.

The 7mm-08 is an "inherently" accurate round and seems to do better with shorter barrels than some others as well.

I mention reloading since it is not as available over the counter as your (OP) mentioned top calibers, but it is not esoterica either--many stories carry. Reloading just expands your envelope of availability of the cailber/cartridge, but like the .270 or '06, is not critical just makes for more affordable shooting. Reloading-wise, you've also got a great selection of 7mm (.284) bullets to choose from for your quarry--from paper targets and varmints to elk.

Again, very similar ballistics to the .270 Win to/through 300 or so (ie, most hunter's practical range) making it a very viable round up through large Rocky Mt and desert mulies and elk within range. Great great round, and this coming from an appx 45-year dyed-in-the-wool .270 shooter...and continuing as one, so I applaud the .270 choice as well...but since you're starting out, I'd look at the 7 as an all'rounder. I've got--and will keep--my .270, but the often overlooked 7 is my next gun...just because, and for that Mountain Rifle role.
I also admit to really liking the 7mm-08 for the "not everyone has one" aspect.

Choice #2 - .308 - near identical characteristics to the above except greater recoil/report, but in the trade-off better off-the-shelf ammo availability (the Wally World factor) and "elk" performance at slightly longer ranges.
 
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My recommendation for you would be hit the used gun racks. Look for weatherby vanguard, Remington 700, Winchester70, ruger 77, all of these should perform as well as you or better for as many rounds as you can shoot in a lifetime. As far as cartridge choice, it can be a very personal choice. The 30/06 has a slight advantage on larger game such as elk, versus the 270. They have the same case size and the 30/06 can shoot heavier bullets, getting better penetration. As you can probably tell I am partial to the 30/06 but the 270 is also an excellent choice. Let us know what you get.
 
Why not get both?

Get yourself a used Remington 700 in any of the calibers previously mentioned. 270 is a great choice. So is 308, 30-06, and 243. Ammo is readily available for all of them at Walmart. (except for after elections sometimes, when all the ammo runs dry). You should be able to find a nice used rem 700 in the $350 range.

Then take the rest of your money and get a 22. I would highly recommend the ruger 10-22. I sometimes think it should be mandatory to find one of these in any gun owners closet. They are extremely fun to shoot and way more useful than I think you are giving them credit for. Just my 2 cents.

Anyways, welcome to the forum.
 
SaltyDog,

The OP DOES have shooting experience, he stated that he's been shooting handguns for awhile now. Albeit he doesn't have rifle experience.

OP I learned to shoot long guns with a double barrel 12ga and my step-fathers Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag.


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A .22 is far from useless. It wil be the most fun and most used gun you have. If was me for a first hi power I'd find an older Remington 700 in .308 or 30-06. With factory loads the 06 doesn't have much on the 308 but with reloads the 06 shines.
 
May I also suggest the Ruger American rifle. It comes in calibers of 243, 270, 308, and 30/06. Take your pick. American made and is priced very well under $500.
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/models.html

Welcome to the rifle world and good luck on your journey. Just to relate to you, I was an avid pistol-only shooter before and made the transition to rifles on my own without any assistance. You'll be fine if you do your research, practice, and be careful with handling firearms as always.

I can definitely understand that Budget sometimes dictates your choices. In my case I started with an all-purpose AR15 rifle in 5.56/.223, then another AR in 300BLK, then finally a bolt action Mosin Nagant. The process may take months to acquire the funds you need, so be patient.
 
Great question, and mostly great answers.
The three rifles I enjoy most are my Mosin-Nagant ($100-150) in 7.62x54R and either of my .22s. They are about all I shoot now.
The MN is a fun cannon that is very satisfying to shoot, and cheap too.
A .22 is essential. I cant eliminate either my Mossberg Plinkster or my Henry lever. I usually take both to range.
You may be convinced you don't need one, but you'll realize everyone needs one eventually. But you've got time.
 
Only one .22LR? Nah - can't stop at just one. You have to have a least one in each action. I am not there yet, but have been working on it over the years.
 
I agree with some of the others, Savage is a great choice. I actually prefer savage over Remington, but lets not start that war!

If you're interested in a 22, I would suggest the 64 TRR-SR. You can get them for $300 all day brand new. You can read about it here: http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/64TRRSR

If you're looking for a higher caliber, I would suggest the 110 Long Range Hunter (also savage). It comes in 308 (not 270), but you wont see significant difference in the recoil especially since this model comes with a muzzle brake. If you get a long range hunter in 308 I will guarantee you you'll be sending me thanks later. It comes with accustock (similar to glass bedded stock) and the accutrigger (you can reduce trigger weight without compromising safety). Here's the details on the gun: http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/11LONGRANGEHUNTER

It's closer to $900 (well above your limit), but the features definitely make it worth it. You'll spend at least $200 to add a muzzle brake, add another $100 for trigger job, at least $100 for glass bedding, $50 for cheek rest... It's best to have it already integrated into the rifle...

Good luck with your choices! P.S. I also like the Remington VTR, it's pretty bad ass and VERY accurate!
 
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