The Real Michael Moore

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I'm hoping this will be considered gun related, because I think as a leader of the anti gun movement everything Michael Moore related is somewhat gun related.

Anyway,

Every now and then I spend a little time reading michaelmoore.com and bradycampaign.org. It's interesting to see how the other half thinks, and I recommend it to anyone.

Bradycampaign.org gets very little updating, which is a good sign in my book. The vitriol they spew at us gun owners is amazing, but I guess to be expected (someday they'll have to update their gun map for how many more states we've won over to CCL!) :D :D

But as for Michael Moore ...

My first experience with the RAIF (Rotund and Ignorant Filmaker) was "Bowling for Columbine." Now ... to be honest ... I didn't find this film as offensive as most people here. It mostly seemed to be an attack on the American culture vs. the guns (at one point he says that Canadians have as many guns per person as we do but have a low murder rate) and I can't say that's completely unwarranted. Our culture could use some fixing, for sure.

That we have a culture of fear vs. Canada is ridiculous (Talk with a Canadian about some of the things Mikey says sometime -- like Canadians not locking house doors) but nonetheless while the film was manipulative and biased that was OK, because it was a documentary and therefore it's OK if it gives a single viewpoint.

Kind of vicious how it attacked Charlton Heston, but he was the NRA pres at the time. Hard to know if the RAIF knew he had alzheimers or not.

The more I read his website, however, the more I realize he's not just a left wing zealot. He's truly hateful of America. He sneers at us and our choices. Here's one little snippet from his current article on his website: Michael Moore Crap


CBC has locked out its union workers, an action that is abhorrent to all who believe in the rights of people to collectively bargain. Why the great and honorable CBC is behaving like an American corporation is beyond me.
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So all American corporations are dishonorable? So we all work for or run a dishonorable company? Nowhere in America are there honorable companies? Not like all those other countries where profit doesn't matter and the workers all live like kings?

This is a good site to go to, though, because it also shows the truth about many things. Like Cindy Sheehan.

Now ... I have nothing but respect for the grieving families of fallen soldiers, and I particularly understand their anger at the seemingly endless war that took their lives for those that don't believe in it. I also have nothing but respect for people who oppose the war in an upright, American fashion, even if I don't join their side.

But at sites like Michael Moore, Cindy (and others) is actually taking cheapshots at none other than the current Pres. Bushes 80+ MOTHER.

Don't know if any of you caught this, but recently Mrs. Bush (senior) did an interview at the astrodome -- a place she went to as a private citizen to help out. While there she made a statement, and this is what you can find at the Michael Moore Site: MM Crap II

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."
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Now ... sounds pretty cruel, right? Well, if you look around the net (couldn't find my link) you can actually find some sites that have the audio. This is NOT what she said. They made a slight change. No president's wife would say anything that insane/insensitive. They're far too used to being in the public eye, no matter whay they may think at home. What she really said was:

"... and so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged. Anyway, this--this (clears her throat) is working very well for them."
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See how different it is when you correct the punctuation and take out the TOTALLY fictitious laugh?

Cindy Sheehan crows over this.

As the father of a little girl I don't know how I would feel if she were lost in a war I really hated. But if she had gone of her own choice I would be proud of her decision to serve. I would be proud of her courage. Even if I thought the war was dishonorable, the warrior who fights it for honorable reasons is still an honored hero.

And however much I hated the politician who sent her there, I wouldn't be attacking him via his 80+ year old mother's statements while she's trying to help the less fortunate.
 
Seems like those who make the most profit off of America with the least amount of work (e.g. Hollywood and Moore types) are the most hateful of what America stands for...

I find THAT very ironic!

I generally don't spend (I call it waste) my time on the viewpoint of the Moore's of the world. While it would benefit me to a degree to try to understand their viewpoint, I've concluded long ago that it's just not a rational viewpoint and my life and time are too limited and valuable to listen to their rhetoric any longer. They are wrong; always have been and always will be. It is what it is.
 
I think that the terrorist owe Mikhail Moore and Sheehan a debt of gratitude, they have done more to aid their cause then anyone else. I also noticed that when the left came out in the media so vocally against the war the terror attacks in Iraq were stepped up. This is what these idiots accomplish, killing more troops and innocent Iraqi's. The terrorist are doing this knowing that it will weaken our resolve, the liberal lefts coming out was what the terrorist were waiting for and they got it, Vietnam all over again! The liberal left has never been honest about who they really are and what they believe because it would destroy them with mainstream America. Their whole ideolgy is twisted and dangerous to America and the downfall of this country seems to be their goal. These are people who are sick and miserable and hate is the only passion in life they seem know . I cruise many sites and the Liberal sites are like visiting the insane asylum.

One has to remember, the left were the ones that coined the phrase hate speech, funny thing is they are the ones that practice it. I didn't have any ill feeling toward the left until the Clintons came along and the left finally came out of the closet and exposed somewhat of who and what they are and how they HATE the right. I used to just vote and let politics be politics, but these people threw done the gauntlet of hate which ignited a despise and disgust in me toward them I didn't know existed. The right has been a silent majority for years, but now its time to verbally fight back before its too late. These are people who see America and the right as evil and the cause of all the worlds problems. They contribute nothing but dissent and the division of this country, they are the real danger to this country as they are the ones who have the ability to do the most damage and they know it and exploit it.
 
Bowling for Columbine was offensive....

Mr. Moore warped reality......and knowingly lied about some things.
 
Moor is an Asume that he is wrong

If moore could make money putting a positive view on child porn he would.
He cares nothing about what America needs or thinks he only wants to make money like all the other hollystupid people out there.
He like Tedd Kennedy, probably couldnt swim if some ones life depended on it.
 
Michael Moore sickens me. I haven't gone to see any of his films because I don't want one cent of my money going to this man. It doesn't matter whether his films have truth or are full of lies. The more leftist and outrageous his fims are, the more people will want to see them and the more money he will make.

I found an audio of barbara bush at the astrodome. I honestly can't tell whether she chuckles or clears her throat. The video clip is a 3 minute segment and the phrase in question is near the end of the clip. It's under the picture of George Bush Sr. on this page: http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dy...icradio.org/shows/2005/09/05/PM200509051.html
 
The Mrs. Bush sound bite you hear or the one being quoted sounds like Marie Antionette telling them to eat cake.

They played a more complete excerpt of the first lady's speech on one of the radio stations down here. Put in context, she is praising the perseverance of the refugees and the hospitality shown by Texas in letting stay in the Astrodome. Bill Clinton said almost exactly the same thing, but they didn't dissect his speech.

As for Michael Moore, Bowling for Columbine was not simply biased. It wasn't simply spun to further his agenda. It was deceiving. Much of it, IMO, was an outright lie.

I know this has been posted here many times but for anyone who hasn't been there: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
 
Michael Moore, and the others, put out things that they think people want to hear to make gobs of cash.

If it weren't for the money, they wouldn't do such things.

Our last election proved that you can make gobs of cash, from 49% of the people, if you just sprew the hate.

They don't care about the troops (even through they say they do), they don't care about American or her foundations, it's all about the gobs of cash that they rank in.

They use people, the people of that type, enjoy being used. They use the people to get gobs of cash, or to use them in parades or on stage. They use people like Cindy to make a point, and each and every time that the use can't be used any longer, they leave the person out to dry.

When the faces fall off of the news, the people that use will drop out of sight with them as well until another comes up.

I will admit that I've been used, as I will admit that I've used others. It's human nature to do so, we can't help ourselves. But when we start to use others to gain an agenda that creates criminals where none have been before, or to impose our will on others on such a vast scale, then it becomes criminal in my mind.

But they will never be held accountable for their actions. When Michael Moore was here in Oregon, he gave out Lars Larson's phone number. This enabled a wack job to call in death threats to Lars and his family. The nut job was found, arrested, and now jailed. Yet the Michael Moore's of this world will not be held accountable for the crime that they basically enabled.

Wayne
 
Michael Moore should be held accountable for someone calling in a death threat merely because he gave someone a phone number? Are you kidding me?

Just imagine what you would be saying if you gave out the number of a congressmen and told people to call and speak their view on an issue. Then some crazy person calls the congressmen and threatens to kill them if they continue with their anti-gun bill (or whatever.) Then on some liberal site, people blamed YOU and said YOU should be held responsible for merely giving out a phone number. I can just imagine what your responses to this would be.

You sadden me.
 
Ingram,

The number was an unpublished number. If it was general knowledge, that is one thing, but it wasn't, so it makes it another.

And yes, he should be held accountable, he gave it out, it was his actions that lead to the actions of another.

Wayne
 
Your logic is exactly the same as the left wingers that say gun manufacturers should be held liable for criminal action for their guns. Their actions caused crimnal action, thus they should be held responsible.

Sit down.

edit to add: I dislike him just as much as anyone else here. But don't let your dislike turn you to the very type of backwards logic that the left wing uses against us.
 
Ingram,

I am sitting down, typing standing up weakens my legs.

You are the illogical one here, for the gun industry is open and everyone knows about it, private phone numbers, are not open to the general public.

There is a difference.

As for your wish to fight, I will not honor you with such petty, and self defeating, acts.

A crime starts with an action. That action, when carried forward, creates even greater crime.

Giving out a private phone number may not be a crime (which it actually is, that is why people pay not to have it published and you can seek damages for harrassment) but the doing so enabled another to commit a crime on a greater degree.

Now, let's take your "logic" on the matter. I am "doing the same as the anti's" when I use this example, how so? You say

gun manufacturers should be held liable for criminal action for their guns.
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Yet in my example I in no way said that a legal, for sale product, was responsible for the criminal offense of another. I did not say that the phone company was responsible now did I, I didn't even say that the cell phone manufacturer was responsible for the crime, did I? I said that Michael Moore was responsible, as an individual, for allowing the greater crime to be enabled to be commented.

Your logic, reason, and debate are within question, due to I didn't blame the companies that were used, or the equipment used, but the actions of one Michael Moore.

Wayne
 
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