The REAL agenda behind 'hate crime laws'

Payette Jack

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From www.boortz.com

MORE THOUGHTS ON HATE CRIME LAWS

Yesterday there was a visitor in the WSB Radio Group complex that houses the Boortz studios. It was none other than Rev. Joseph Lowery, past president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Lowery is one of the principal proponents of government-sponsored racial discrimination in the nation. He seems to have become increasingly bitter as more and more people in and out of government come to the conclusion that racial discrimination is bad stuff.

Lowery and I exchanged a few “pleasant” words, and as he walked off he was heard to
mutter “Gore hate monger.”

So, there it was. That “hate” word again. Damn, how the left loves to use the hate word.

This brings me back to the subject of hate crime laws. This has been one of the principal platform for scaring black voters to the polls to vote for Al Gore.

Hate crime legislation is about criminalizing thought. It’s about making an emotion an
element in a crime --- and making emotion punishable.

Let’s look at the Texas case the race warlords are invoking to frighten black voters. It’s the James Byrd case --- the incident where three white bigots drug Byrd behind a pickup truck until he was dead. All three of the murderers were convicted. Two got the death penalty – one life in prison.

Even though two of the murderers are going to die --- that isn’t enough for the left. Nobody seems to have an idea how you can punish these pigs any more than you do by
putting them to death …. but that’s not the issue. The leftists aren’t unhappy with the
punishment doled out to these murderers ---- they’re unhappy because they’re being
punished for their actions and not for their emotions and thoughts.

Look --- if you’re going to talk about “hate crime laws” then somebody had better sit down and give us a good definition of “hate.”

The fact is the left won’t give you the definition of “hate,” so I will.

“Hate” is any negative thought, expression or feeling against leftist dogma, or the people
who promote that dogma.

“Hate” is the expression of any opposition to any position promoted by a member of any
protected minority group or any liberal or left-wing policymaker or politician.

That brings us back to Joseph Lowery. He called me a “Gore hate monger” yesterday for no reason other than the fact that I am opposed to his election as president and that I have expressed my opinions that Gore is dishonest, a liar, and a big-government
politician.

You have to listen to everything these leftists are saying. On the one hand they’re
pushing hard for some type of law that makes “hate” a crime – or an element of a crime.
On the other hand they’re tagging expressions of disagreement with leftist political
objectives and politicians as “hate speech” and the people who express those positions
as “hate mongers.”

Follow all of this to it’s logical conclusion. It takes you to a time in this country where people can be punished for thoughts, utterances, expressions and writings which anger those holding political power. That’s the ultimate goal of the leftists pushing the “hate crimes” agenda.

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Some are just more equal than others, I suppose.

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Formerly known as Jack 99

"The Constitution is the fundamental law for the federal government. If that government's own courts can arbitrarily change it's meaning, the government becomes a law unto itself --- that is a lawless government, a government of men, not of law." -- Joseph Sobran

"But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime." -- Frederic Bastiat
 
I don't give politicians credit for being so advanced as to have a "thought control" agenda. What is a politician's number one job? To get re-elected so he can keep on sucking the teat of special interest money.

To get re-elected, they have to look like they are doing something about issues that concern people. To really fix the "hate crime" problem would require promotion of mutual respect and tolerance between different segments of society. That's tough, and it can't be done before the next election. So what do they do? They just add punishment to an existing crime, so they can brag at campaign time that they did something. Just a grandstand play.

Think Campaign Finance Reform!
 
The trouble with evil is that it insidiously manages to always work toward a greater goal whether or not all of it's participants are aware of that goal.
 
As I have publicly stated before:

If it can be proved that a murder was comitted because the killer had issue with the victim's height, race, age, sexual proclivities, religion, ethnic group, hair color, gender or shoe size, then we should condemn this... by pulling the switch a second time.

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"..but never ever Fear. Fear is for the enemy. Fear and Bullets."
10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
Payette is absolutely right. Like many ideas that went on to become law in this country, the proponents of "hate crime" are not able to see how their "good intentions" will play out. For all their talk of being humanitarians, liberals seem to be the least inclined to understand what I call " the human element". They don't seem to be able to think out how real people think and act. They assume everyone is as well intentioned as they are, and then, later are shocked when people take advantage of things like affirmative action, welfare, etc. George McGovern, after he retired from the Senate, went on to co-own an inn in Conneticut. He was amazed at the amount of paperwork required by the government in owning his own business. Shouldn't those who make the laws in this land realize their impact? But most politicians never, (or very briefly) worked in the real world, where you have to meet deadlines, make a payroll, serve clients, compete with other companies, etc. But hey, if your against "hate crimes" you must be a bad guy, right? Who could be against "hate"? We have children in high places indeed. Sorry for the rant. This hate crime thing really rankles me.

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Hate Crime. Sounds like something out of George Orwell or Franz Kafka. What happened to Equality Before the Law? For everyone.

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Hoka-hey
 
Sodbuster, you are definitely on the track.
Tell a lie big enough, and often enough and the people will believe it.
By "Tagging", everything they do not like with the H word, subconsiously sooner or later it WILL stick with the masses.....
Then it's party time, against all freedom of speech and thought.......
It is a well thought out and reasoned attack strategy...and one that will eventually work.
With this, your opinions, and your right to free expression have been taken away from you.
If you buck the "New", way...you are a Hater......
 
I am in the same boat with you guys.
This "hate crime" thing has been a great press getter, and a sound bite star.
Just a bunch of ineffective lawmakers trying to justify their paychecks.
It does nothing but reduce in importance other similar crimes.

BS

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"Any world that I'm welcome to.....Is better than the one I come from"
 
I think the object of this "hate crime" stuff is to allow the Fed Govt. to dictate what people can say. If the speech is not PC they can be accused of hate crimes. If a church preaches that homosexuality is a sin then the church could be sued because they were spreading hate. They would be targeted anytime a gay suffered violence. It would be the churches fault that people hate and don't tolerate. This is a BAD law and concept. If Gore gets elected and if the Congress goes Dem we will have such laws. Jerry

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Ecclesiastes 12:13  ¶Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14  For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
"Hate Crime" belongs to the "feel good legislation genre" and serves to promote the legislator among his/her constitutents. I hate crime.
 
In politics, a "hate crime" is any crime perpetrated against a member of a group of persons who historically support liberal democrats.

In court, I believe that in California the vast majority of cases have been brought against African Americans who were involved in "racially motivated" crimes against others.

(Can someone verify my statistics?)

Now that is irony, folks. It is typical liberal behavior. Look good and feel good. That is all that matters. Results? You want to know if they are actually DOING good? Now that sounds like hate speech!
 
Maybe I am nuts but isn't any violent act inherently a "hate crime"? Typically , it isn't considered a sign of affection to shoot, stab, or beat another person. I agree with you folks that passing such legislation is a little conscience candy for those who like to consider themselves morally superior but not when it means getting their hands dirty. More do-nothing laws that cost millions of dollars and lots of time that SHOULD be going for real solutions to real problems.
It is illegal to beat, stab, or shoot anyone in the United States except in cases of self defense. Do people really think that there is some stereotypically greasy, white, male redneck out there who was going to go out this weekend and beat some homosexuals, minorities, or women to death for amusement but will stop dead in his tracks at the mention of new hate crime laws and take up knitting instead?
Aaaaaargh! It's the same with victim-preparation laws (what some call gun control laws). Hi, I'm a friendly politician! Vote for me because I will show you all kinds of made-up numbers about how safe you will be without a gun. Okay, it didn't work with alcohol and it's not working with drugs but it's gonna work with guns. Trust me! Feel good and safe! Send money!
I am going to quit before I pop a vein.
Whenever I hear about affirm-action or hate crime laws I just remember Animal Farm and the laws written on the barn: All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Okay... a hate crime.. scenerio... what would be the hate in this crime:

A gay, white male is mugged, beaten by a black male (is a heterosexual). By so called "hate laws" the black male would be hateful against the gay, white male, or would it?

Okay.. gay, white male robs black male.. is the gay male hateful against the black male?

Okay.. Gay white and black male (also gay) rob a women, hetero... is the women "hateful" agaist the gay white/black male or is the gay couple hateful against the female?

Points to ponder.

USP45usp

(this is a dangerous road folks.. especially if your a white male, gay or not)
 
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