The PC Crowd AT WAR

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Jungle Work

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After being on the receiving end of this country's support during the Vietnam War and watching what happens to it military since then, I have always sought to ensure that my children and grandchildren will not serve in this country's military. I have taken time to instilled in them that this country does not appreciated nor will it honor the military service of it young. There are those in power in this country who will crusify and inprison them for their service. Who will sacrifice them to lions of Politican Correctness, men and women who would never endanger themselves to save even an infant, much less their country. This happens and the "Great Silent Majority" will stand silent and mute. Typical of the "Greatest Generation" who sent their sons off to war and did not support them nor insure their country's support of them.

Now I teach my children and grandchildren that you fight to defend the family, your religion or your state. If they are threatened or endangered, you do what is necessary to insure their survival. Never trust Politicians, whether in Uniform or Suits.

Intresting how the folks of this country don't mind using their children as cannon fodder in a war, whether it's deamed right or wrong. Then to throw them to the dogs of Political Correctness.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42828

May God Protect those who Defend and Protect this country against it's enemies, both Foriegn and Domestic....

Jungle Work
 
JW,

With respect, you discuss half of the question – what the nation may do for the warrior – but you ignore the other half – what the warrior can do for the nation. Having served for decades, I courteously suggest that:
a) I want our children and grandchildren to live in liberty and with the economic blessings this nation has enjoyed for many years (the United States is not perfect, but when compared to so much of the world its advantages are overwhelmingly apparent).
b) Foreign enemies challenge us; their actions would make this impossible.
c) It is worth considerable sacrifice to ensure freedom and economic abundance are intergenerational gifts.

That’s why I served.

And, by the way, most of my service was in the immediate aftermath of Vietnam, when the military was not popular or highly respected. However, that never altered my fundamental core belief that our freedoms, our security, our well-being, and our future demanded that good people serve – even at considerable personal and economic sacrifice – despite the attitudes of many politicians.
 
RWK,
I understand how you feel. I grew up believing the JFK saying, "It's not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".

But now I'm not willing to waste the lives of my children and grandchildren for an unappriciative and unsupportive people and country. When everyone's expected to serve their country and give is when I'll change my mind. And that means no deferements for the rich and powerful or for the children of politicians. It means that when those who support the enemy with words and actions are tried for Treason. Those who run off to another country will never be allow to enter this country again. When the people of this country will not dishonor the deaths of it's young men and women who were given in a war by electing a dope smoking, woman raping, draft doger.

One of the hardest questions I ever had to try and answer was to a mother whose son, a navy corpman, was postumously awarded the Navy Cross for saving the lives of several marines who were caught in a bushwack near Da Nang. She couldn't understand how a country, that her son had given his life for, could elect a POS like Willam "BubbaJeff" Clinton.

If you want to serve this country and it's uncaring and unappriciative people, I will support you and yours. I'm just not willing to see the lives of my children and grandchildren wasted for the citizens of this country, half of which are DemoMarxist and the other half who won't stand for what is right and true.

Good luck and Currahee, my friend.

Jungle Work
 
Jungle Work,

No society is going to produce a single mindset when it comes to defending the freedom's of that society. And you can't compare the generations that followed WWII with those that served in that obviously righteous war.

Choosing to be a soldier is always a personal choice. I don't think anyone should feel that it is an obligation. My brother and I both serve, as did my father and grandfather - yet we all did independantly without the urging of the previous generation.

The loud-mouthed voices of dissent, political correctness, peace activism, whatever are part and parcel with our wonderful society. They are important, if often foolish, because they sharpen the democratic process and cause debate. Sometimes, that debate causes the issue to swing the other way - Howard Dean helped get Bush re-elected, if you follow what I'm saying.


Whatever dumb opinions and emotional knee-jerks you see, they are coming from Fellow Americans, and that's the most important part. Military service IS a thankless job, for many reasons. Don't make a fool's use of his civil rights convince you that the people who own those rights aren't worth defending.
 
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Glad to see you here Jungle Work.

A lot of what you say is summed up in a short poem

"God and soldiers we adore,
in time of danger, not before.
Let the danger be safely righted
and Gods forgotten and soldiers slighted!"

---John Churchill 1688
 
I think the poem by Rudyard Kipling said it best.

"For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' 'Chuck him out, the brute!'
But it's 'Saviour of 'is country' when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!"

This is just the last verse, but you get the drift.

HB, how have you been doing. Great to see you here. Me, just shootin' and lootin'.

Jungle Work
 
People at my H.S. think I'm crazy for wanting to enlist in the Corps when I graduate. Most people have no idea what our troops go through and I wish that we could let all of our military servicemen/women take a year off so they could see what would happen but they can't and so the servicemen/women of our great nation must do a dangerous and mostly thankless job to protect those that in their own country oppose them.

If you want to preserve your freedoms, join the military.
If you want lots of money and praise, be a gangster rapper and talk about dealing drugs and killing cops.
 
Go for it rugerdude!

Rugerdude, go for the Corps. That was the single best decision I have made in my life (second to purchasing firearms hehe). The Corps has brought me over an incredible and intense journey, I would never trade it for the world. Because even looking at the tat on my arm of the EGA... I still remember crying at graduation day.

Having served the last year in Iraq (its nice to be home). The lifestyle over there is completely different than here. My main focus was to be focused, not paying attention is how you get killed. I went over there with the mindset that EVERYONE is my enemy, and that's what kept me alive. One good instance, a child was approaching me around November. He was about 30 feet away from me when I saw him, and I commanded him to halt (as I locked my sights on him). I told him to lift up his shirt and wouldn't you know it... explosives. Just keep that in mind if you go to the sandbox. EVERYONE is your enemy unless they wear that US Flag.
 
Good luck rugerdude!

Jungle Work, you are looking at joining the military (or serving the military) from just one standpoint though, that of us being pawns (and I was 'lucky' enough to serve during most of the Klinton years, so I know how that feels!) However, you are forgetting the plus sides your children and grandchildren can benefit from by serving. Yes, the miltary is used for the "Political Correctness", but when has that been anything different over the course of our world's history?

Back to the pluses! :) They probably have some of the best benefits overall (I really miss not having to pay for medical!). Plus, after they serve, they get the GI Bill, the VA Loan, and many other types of benefits (not to mention the mental discipline, hopefully!) Yes, there is a chance something bad could happen to them, but the chances of them getting in a fatal car accident are more likely.

I'm not disagreeing with you (completely), and I personally think we should have everyone who graduates high school to serve for a year or two (regardless of rank or station).
 
Crypto,
I served four years, 67-71. Combat is dangerous enough without having to worry whether the REMF will prosecute you for actions during combat.

I was thrilled to death that I was single and went to Australia on R&R and Hong Kong on an extension leave.

I was ask upon my return from Vietnam what I would have done if I had been with Caley at Mi Lai. I replied that I believed the Americal was a frickin' circus run by clowns anyway, but had Caley picked up an infant and thrown it into a ditch and then fired his M-16 into it, there would have been no Court Martial, because you can't Court Martial a dead man, I would have emptied my CAR-15 into him. Caley was a joke as a leader of men, but about par for the course for the Americal.

I do not recommend that young people join the US Military this day and time, unless they can be assured a non combat assignment as the US Military is run by Politicians and Lawyers who would rather explain to a parent how their son or daughter was KIA in a FUBAR IED Deal than explain to the World Press how some Arabs failed to follow the orders of a US Combat Soldier or Marine and died at their hands. Much too dangers for US Combat Soldiers and Marines.
Kinda like the non policing pratices in Major Minority Cities in the US by White Police Officers.

Jungle Work
 
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