the origins of gun control

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I am curious about the origins of gun control. When and why did the first gun control laws come about? Were they the result of some shooting as they always seem to be today?

Also why did the seconded amendment come to exists? Was it something the anti federalists included because of their fear of government?
 
I may be wrong and if so please correct me. Also I do not wish to offend anyone and if I do I am profoundly sorry. We have many fine people here of all races, skin color should be no indication of a person's character. From what I remember back in high school some 28+ years ago, gun control was used in the south prior to and after the War Between the States (Civil War). I believe the idea was that land owners who had slaves did not want them to have ready access to firearms for fear of a slave revolt. Well today the groups may have changed abit but it seems the idea is still going on strong. Today a "slave" could be just about anyone who owns a gun or wants to, and the land owners could easily be the poiticians or powers that be.
 
I've read about the racist roots of gun control... sounds plausible. In recently reading Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick (good read BTW) he writes of Bradford and Winslow recording an agreement with the Pokanoket sachem, item 6. as follows: "That when their men came to us, they should leave their bows and arrows behind them, as we should do our pieces when we came to them." pg 99, circa 1621.
Which may or may not be a wise move... but I guess things turned out OK for awhile in so doing (talk about faith and trust in an unknown world).

Also why did the seconded (sic) amendment come to exists? Was it something the anti federalists included because of their fear of government?
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The Kings men had disarmed colonists during their recent great unpleasantness, doncha know? Lexington Bridge... Concord... April 19, 1775... "Shot heard round the world"... Disperse ye damn rebels... Does any of that ring a bell? Once bitten, twice shy - as the saying goes. Many of the colonies (states) Constitutions had a RKBA provision in them. (some did not and to this day do not) They deemed it worthy enough to make it Article 4 in a list of 12 enumerated rights, the first 2 being struck down. Thus it became the 2nd Amendment in the BOR's.
 
thanks that’s some of the information I was looking for. oh and I just thought of what I hold to be a good joke about why I need guns.
guy: so why do you need guns?
me: to keep the damn English out!
 
Query: Why do you need guns?
Answer: Ask the American Indians, Holocaust Jews or the victims of the Khmer Rouge.

Query: Why do you need guns?
Answer: Because I want my government to fear me - and my 200 million neighbors.

Query: Why do you need guns?
Answer: (whispered) I see bad people!
 
I believe that the Second Amendment came to exist because we once had British Troops here to dominate us. The troops were supposedly for our protection, but the French/Indian Wars were over, and Virginians declared that a standing army was a danger to liberty, and that the proper defense of a free State was militia composed of the people of that State.

One of the earliest gun laws in the States that I am aware of declared that you could not take guns to polling places to vote (the idea being that a bunch of people with guns might hang out at the polling places with the intent of intimidating people into voting a certain way).

If gun control is due to the South and racism, then why is the South the pro-gun region?
 
Also why did the seconded (sic) amendment come to exists? Was it something the anti federalists included because of their fear of government?
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A historical review of this could fill a book (and has).

Suffice it to say that the 2nd Amendment was the result of a number of different incidents and lessons learned by the Colonists. Among those;
  • Englishmen were allowed arms in England
  • British soldiers were often quartered in colonial homes at the homeowner's expense and;
  • They were instructed to do what they pleased and as much insult and damage as possible.
  • British enlisted men were often criminals sentenced to army service instead of (wretched) British prisons.
  • The attempts to disarm the colonials to enforce British rule and subjugate them.
  • The concerns by anti-federalists that a federal gov't would deny writes not explicitly enumerated.
  • While many believed (with evidence) that a militia could not stand up to a real army, they also believed that an armed populace would not permit their rights to be trampled by an overbearing government in the first place.

"Gun Control" was, early on, focused on black slaves. Early statutes prohibited allowing a slave to even hold a gun unless in the presence of his owner. After the civil war, other laws prohibited the sale of arms to blacks or required the sale of high-priced Colt Army or Navy revolvers to keep blacks from acquiring "affordable" guns (remind anyone of Saturday night special laws?). Many early laws forbidding concealed carry were enforced only against Negro laborers while whites were routinely allowed to carry, even though the laws were not race specific. Even the 1968 GCA's prohibition on certain "small" guns was an attempt to prevent the poor and inner city poor blacks from obtaining firearms.
 
A means to control the people they fear! That is why our founders installed the 2nd Amendment! A mean to protect us from the Absolute Powers to be and to come. We the People Will loose the power to protect our selfs it we loose the 2nd Amendment!


When I fist got to London in 1979, No police carried firearms. Now no one is allowed firearmes except the police. They are installing camras on every building. It still seems the bad man can obtain them and explosives with out problems.


Just My Toughts!
 
Gun control is not really about controling guns but people. It goes back to Egypt, Babalon, England 8th century, and many other dictators by what ever name you wish it give them the story is the same. Take away what the people can fight back with and you can control them easier. Never be conned gun control was never, is not ever, nor ever will be about controling guns but ALWAYS about controling people.
 
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