The next legend?

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Yakko77

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Well, the 1911 has earned itself a great and long history of reliability and power. The weapon really hasn't changed hardly at all in over 90 years now. Question is, will any of todays current weapons also have this same legacy? Will a H&K USP be virtually the same 100 years from now? Or a Beretta, Glock, SIG, etc.? Since the only semiauto I own is a Kimber Custom 1911, I'm a bit biased to the 1911 and I have too little experience with other autoloaders to make a judgement. That's where you come in!!! :D ;) :cool: If Al Gore/Janet Reno don't become President :eek: :mad: :barf: what will be the handgun that your great grandchildren will be shooting that you currently shoot today?
 
Boy, I hope it isn't the Beretta 92 but since it's military issue a few generations from now it may well be a classic.

My guess would be the Glock will be recognized as the best thing to come out of the post WWII auto pistol boom.

It is simply the only one that has any merit out of all the ones other than the COLT/GI automatics.

Of course, you can always get a Luger. That is also a legend but it's already older than the GI pistol.
 
Performance is what made the 1911 what it is, along with stopping power.
When it comes to performance of everything I have used semi-autowise the only DA design that can go toe to toe in regards to reliability and accuracy is the Beretta 92 design. I swapped my last Glock for one recently by the way. That spongy "safe action" trigger is not condusive to good accuracy.
Of course, the B-92 is a nine, and therefore will never be an authoritive manstopper. Most .40 cal versions of nines are not as accurate as the original chamberings.
The H&KUSP's seem to be reliable, but they are not as accurate as they should be (at least, mine isn't). Glocks are rugged as all get out, but they chamber and cycle roughly and I have seen way too many that were prone to jamming. (Mine was not one of them, fortunately).
SIGS have too many stampings for my taste.
The B-92 is not perfect, but of the "modern" designs out there, it is accurate and reliable beyond comparitive designs.
The Browning p-35 Hi Power is just as good as the old Colt though, even if it is a nine.
 
My grandchildren better be shooting all the pistols from my collection...of 1911 types! I figure they'll still be working fine. :)
 
My personal opinion leans towards SIG and specifically the SIG Classics... I see Glocks as the VW Beetle of the '70s. Proliferous, made good enough, functional, cheap. And I see SIG as the Jag of the same time period. Better built, higher quality, high performance.

I think that handguns should be intuitive to use, simple and not gadgity. They should be accurate and easy to maintain. The "safety" should be integral to the gun and not a lever, button, switch, or knob. People get the wrong idea about safety's on handguns. They aren't there to prevent the gun from going off when the trigger is pulled. They are there so if the gun was dropped it wouldn't shoot you or someone else.

In my opinion SIG fits all of these requirements very well, so it gets my vote.

Nick Turner
AKA Greenmantis
 
Even if...

...the aliens from planet Zontar release plastic & aluminum-eating microbes on earth sometime in the next 50 years, my grandkids will be shooting my P7M8. :)
 
warhammer357,

I have had different results with the Glocks and H&Ks.

All of the H&Ks I've fired have been very accurate. I've fired 6-8 different H&K USPs and all have been very accurate. Found one that shot low at 25 yards (H&K fixed that one), but all have been above average in the accuracy department.

With Glocks, althought they aren't perfect, I haven't noticed that they chamber and cycle "roughly". What do you mean by that? Most people, regardless if they like the Glock or not, believe the Glock to be one of the more reliable firearms on the market.

The Berettas are plenty accurate, but I wouldn't say they can go "toe to toe" with the 1911s that are on today's market. As far as the trigger of the Glock not being condusive to good accuracy, I'd have to say the Beretta falls in that category as well. Especially in comparison to the 1911. The looooong DA trigger pull of the Beretta and the slop in the SA pull don't really help accuracy a lot.

Mind you, I'm not saying one can't shoot well with the Beretta trigger. And, lest I be accused of being a Glockophile and a Beretta hater, I own no Glocks (because of the grip angle) and DO own a Beretta Elite II.

Shake
 
Vertec

Hey, have you tried the Vertec version of the Beretta? For the past few years I have been primarily a 1911 shooter. I have grown very accustomed to the feel of a 1911 with a straight backsrap....The Vertec has a grip angle similar to a 1911 and the trigger itself in single action mode feels more like a 1911 trigger because it doesnt have as much slack, at least not the one I have.
Main reason I swapped the glock was the spongy trigger and the handle which never felt comfortable to me. Kinda like grasping a two by four. It may not have been wide, but it was so damn long. Mind you, I have large hands to boot.
 
There already are at least two other Classics in the semi fold. They are the P-35 and the P-38. The features found in the 1911, P-35 and P-38 have defined every semi-automatic handgun since.

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Glock Model 19 (?)

I don't know about "legendary" but I believe the Glocks (wasn't the model 17 or 19 the original?) are the most significant handgun technology to come along the last half of the 20th century.

They look like they were hatched out of an egg in some sort of hydroponic garden (translation? UGLY) but you can't argue with their reliability, durability, and success.
 
Legend
I would have to say the Glock 17. Whatever your likes or dislikes of the Glock you must admit that it has been the largest influence in revitalizing the handgun industry. Well, maybe it is second to the likes of Clinton, Reno, Schummer, Boxer and Feinstein.
As far as the Glock trigger argument. I have found that out of box it sucks but with a little work you (not using an expensive Gunsmith) can get a 4 lb consistent break. The Glock has nearly as many if not more aftermarket "stuff" than the 1911. There is no semiauto as reliable as the Glock. And its near cult following has created an enthusiasm in Sports Shooting that just would not be there without the Glock. I subscribe to an engineering philosophy that simple is good and less is better. I find the design of the Glock and its simplicity to be one of its greatest assets.
Needless to say, yes I am a Glock fan. I also own and shoot SIGs, Ruger Revolvers, HKs, various 1911s, CZ, Browning HP, S&W Revolvers and SemiAutos. The US Gov. mad a mistake when they selected the Berretta 92. The SIG 226 would have been a better fit. Maybe it is my own ignorance but I just have never seen a Berretta trigger that I liked. I am sure that the trigger can be lightened and smoothed out.
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I haven't found a Vertec in my area yet. I'd like to.

The trigger on my Elite II is much better than the standard 92. I like it a lot.

I've had the same results as you have with the ergonomics (or lack of for me) of the Glocks. I keep trying to like them because of all the good things I read hear and see. The grip angle is the primary problem for me. My hopes were built up with anticipation of the G36. I hoped that it would finally be the Glock that felt "right" in my hand. After tracking one down I picked it up and. . . WORSE. If I were to buy a glock it would be the G17 or the G19.

Shake
 
Looking at the responses, legend and hype mean the same thing.
As has been rehashed elsewhere, Glock did not introduce any actual innovations. Glock does have excellent marketing. If Glock becomes a legend, it will be because of the media demonization, prominent place in rap lyrics, and movie/television roles.
Then again, the current crop of 1911's are superior to what used to be churned out, enough to make us forget the faults of older 1911's.
 
Here we go again. :rolleyes:

I answered a post a few months ago in which the 1911 and Glock were lined up for combat, and let me tell you: it ain't worth getting into. Once in, you won't get out.

Let's just say that both pieces deserve equal status in the hall of fame. At opposite ends, of course. ;)
 
The next legend after 1911

Legendary firearms generate clones: Colt SSA and the 1911 are two examples. Polymer DAO autos were nonexistant before Glock, the next (and current) legend.
 
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