The new PC US Army - black berets for everyone

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This is where we've come to. Self-esteem is more important than accomplishment. It's not important how you perform, it's how you feel about your performance. No red pen to mark tests, no "F" grades, trophies for everyone,...and now, forget the trademark of the Special Forces, every soldier is "Special". gimme a break.

Soldiers to Start Wearing Berets
by ROBERT BURNS
AP Military Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- In a symbolic fashion statement, the chief of the Army says the beret -- for decades the distinctive headgear of elite Army units -- will become standard issue for all soldiers.
Soldiers who now wear the fold-up ''overseas'' cap, the saucer-like ''service'' cap, or the baseball-style ''battle dress uniform'' cap will instead wear a black beret. Helmets, of course, will still be worn in combat.
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki said in a surprise announcement Tuesday that the change will take effect next June 14, the Army's birthday.
''When we wear the black beret it will say that we, the soldiers of the world's best army, are committed to making ourselves even better,'' Shinseki said in a speech to the annual convention of the Association of the United States Army, a booster organization. He said the beret would be a ''symbol of unity.''
Aides to Shinseki said they expected some grumbling, particularly among Army Rangers who already wear black berets.
Steve Jaeger, a retired Ranger who lives in Des Moines, Iowa, said Wednesday he thinks the decision is ''off the wall.''
''We think it's a slap in the face'' to Rangers who consider their black beret a sign of distinction, he said.
Karl Monger of the U.S. Army Ranger Association, said his organization has received many e-mail messages from former Rangers and family members who are outraged, although not all have been critical.
''The greater issue is that there is a morale problem in the military,'' Monger said. ''It's not something you solve by changing hats.''
Emmett Hiltibrand, a retired Ranger and Vietnam veteran who is president of the 75th Ranger Regiment Association, said in a telephone interview from Columbus, Ga., that he was appalled by Shinseki's decision.
''It's going to look silly,'' Hiltibrand said, and will erode some of the distinction of being a Ranger.
''The beret is a symbol of excellence,'' he said. ''It is not to be worn by everybody, every Tom, Dick and Harry.''
On the other hand, Col. Vince Ogilvie, a Pentagon public affairs officer who previously served as a member of the 82nd Airborne, the paratroops who wear maroon berets, cheered the move.
''I personally like the beret,'' he said. ''From my point of view, it's a great idea. It really looks great with the uniform.'' He added that he understood that Rangers would take a different point of view.
Shinseki said introducing the black beret as standard headgear for soldiers will symbolize the new-look Army. He said he got the idea last week when he officiated at a change-of-command ceremony for the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, whose soldiers include the so-called Green Berets who specialize in guerrilla warfare, cover action, infiltration behind enemy lines and sometimes training foreign forces.
''As I stood looking at those (soldiers), I was reminded of the special significance that the beret has come to symbolize for the United States Army,'' Shinseki said. ''It is time for the entire Army to accept the challenge of excellence that has so long been a hallmark of our special operations and airborne units.''
Army paratroops will continue to wear their maroon berets and Army rangers already wear black berets.
Shinseki portrayed his announcement as fitting a broader plan for transforming the Army, still burdened by Cold War-era equipment, attitudes and practices, into a more high-tech, adaptable and unified organization ready to confront the diverse security challenges of the 21st century.
Shinseki, who took over the top Army post in July 1999, said he is preparing to ''make our case'' for an increase in the size of the Army, which is authorized to have 480,000 soldiers on active duty.
The Army chief did not say how big an increase he expected to push for, but 40,000 has been mentioned by some.
Shinseki said that in order to relieve stress on the force he was doing away with weekend work for soldiers and arranging for four-day weekends in connection with all federal holidays. He ordered strict limits on the number of cases in which units are asked to make short-notice deployments that take them away from home. He also is seeking ways to make school transfers easier for soldiers' children.
http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/washington/ap236.htm
 
This looks like one of those examples, if I look good, therefore I am good. NOT! :( In other words he's all spit and shine.

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Only something that is earned is respected.


The Army really need sto re-adjust it's priorities and start to increase training.

If they want black monica hats then form some new specwar units and have people try to qualify.
 
"booo, hisss, spit!!!!"

The beret has been a symbol of an elite cadre of men for a very long time and now they are going to take that and dash it all the hell upon the rocks of being politically correct.

that stinks.
 
Gee, I guess I didn't need to earn my beret, I could have stayed in and had it given to me by some idiot. I guess this means the Ranger units should start wearing soft caps and let the rest of the army wear berets
 
Everyone sing along!

"I wanna be a chairborne typist,
I wanna live a life that's long!
I wanna be a chairborne typist,
Sit at a desk and type all day long!"

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DialONE911:
Once everyone is wearing berets, it will be very easy to go from black to UN blue.[/quote]

Well said!

[This message has been edited by capnrik (edited October 18, 2000).]
 
Lemme get this straight. You guys are upset about the army changing the type of *hat* soldiers are going to wear?
 
I think that Erik has a good idea.

Greg

(of course this is coming from an ex-QM REMF whose colors happen to match that of the SAS :D )
 
Will each have the option to have a pink triangle stitched on? Or would this be in violation of the "...don't tell" section?

RKBA!
 
craigz,

it sounds like you weren't in the military. If you were, you probably weren't in a snake-eater outfit. Certain items are hard-earned symbols of unit excellence and should not be screwed with. It's like awarding jump wings to anyone who's ever seen the inside of a plane, or the Blue Max to anyone who's ever heard a shot fired in anger. It takes away the very thing that makes wearing the item special. It's symptomatic of the PC culture, nobody is allowed to excel for the sake of bolstering the "self-esteem" of the rest. The mediocre kids get depressed if the smart ones get all the "A"s, see?

Geez, at least do what the Germans did when they awarded berets to everyone. Let them wear their branch colors. Airborne always had maroon, infantry got green, artillery red, tankers black, and medics blue. No feelings hurt, and the Airborne got to keep their distinctive color.



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[This message has been edited by lendringser (edited October 19, 2000).]
 
Len has the right Idea about going the German route with different color hats. I dont envy the CAV though. Yellow berets YUCK! This is a dumb idea, and I hope all the Ranger, Airborne and SF qualified General Officers stand up for what they did as LT's and tell Gen whatshisname what a bad idea this is.

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Just remember the latest outrage when you enter the polling booth.

President Dubya will have to conduct the mother of all purges to rid our govt. of this kind of nonsense.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by craigz:
Lemme get this straight. You guys are upset about the army changing the type of *hat* soldiers are going to wear?[/quote]

The military is steeped in tradition and symbolism. Branch of service, patriotism, and unit pride are what drives most servicemembers, not the measly paycheck they get every two weeks.

I was an MP and a corporal in the Marines. If somebody had tried to pin jump wings and captains bars on me because it was supposed to make me feel better, I'd have protested. It would have cheapened the sacrifices and accomplishments of higher ranking Marines and the special forces units like Force Recon.

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Here here. I'm a specialist E-4 in the National Guard. I'll be damned if anybody's gonna tell me I deserve to wear a beret. If I felt I needed a beret I'd take a crack at airborne school or something.

However, I'm not fond of the hot dog had we enlisted guys get to wear with our dress uniforms. Maybe a beret wouldn't be so bad, but it couldn't be green, maroon, or black, because that would take away from the amazing me who go through Special Forces and Ranger traning, and I want no part of diminishing their accomplishment.

But making them on branch colors is a good idea. 'Cept I'm an Engineer. A two color beret would look funny, probably.
 
I posted on the other thread "Black Beret", about how I feel...

As an enlisted man, I was very proud when I earned my Jump Wings and Beret. I was stationed at "Fayette-Nam" ( Fort Bragg, NC) with the 1/504th 82nd ABN DIV.
The Bloused Jump Boots with the Class A Dress Uniform and Wings and Maroon Beret W/ Flash and Crest were only seconded by us earning the CIB(combat infantrymans badge)
when we were over in Saddam Husseins` Kitty-Litter Box...
I spent 11 months over there and had to EARN all the "clutter" that went on my uniform...
I have seen "P.X. Warriors" who go and buy ribbons and medals without ever having earned them... And believe me when I say that they are universally despised by all.

Anyways, I digress.

If they are going to get to wear the Black Beret, What about blousing your Jump boots???
Surely you can`t wear a beret w/class A`s
and Lowquarters...? :(

I`m kinda saddened, but I guess change is always hard...

Howard



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Git_Some,
My dad and I were discussing this last night. He is former 101st Abn (when they really were, back in the fifties), and I am former Airborne Pathfinder.
We both agreed that bloused boots with Class A uniform would be next.
Maybe the Airborne units should ditch the beret and go back to garrison caps with glider patches.


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Yeah, this will result in a storm of e-mail, etc. to DA.

Those who EARNED their berets by volunteering to undergo difficult, dangerous training and assorted hardship in order to earn the right to wear a green/black/maroon beret will/should be upset. I know I am.

ATW,
Mike
 
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