The new breed of American Racist

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sumabich

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No this isn't a post about what you may think. (Cue moderator back off) There shouldn't be any flaming here. My question to all is has the term "Economic Racist" been used yet? This term could be used to describe the elitist like Rosie, Feinstine, Ted Kennedy. Those that think the masses/poor don't have the right to defend themselves with a gun but they can. Economic Racism is the act of discriminating against a group of people because of money. You are poor since you can only afford a "cheap" gun you can't have one. What do you think? I just wrote to a reporter who did an article on "Supporters of gun control upset by sales of weapons on Net" and I used this term. I resolve to use it any time I get a chance. What do you folks think? Is it something we can all use? Now if we can just come up with a singularly offensive "phobia" word to describe those who fear the masses with guns. Like: libertyaphobia, rightsaphobia,defenseaphobia. You get the idea. Come on you "gun-totin" spin doctors give us your best ideas for this one! ;)
 
What you are talking about is the "Ruling Political Class" or "Socialist Oligarchy".

They exist. They are orginized. They are international in scope.
 
pretty standard analysis.

Look at the difference between penalties for crack vs. powder cocaine. The later is for the
rich up class and crack is for the poor.

This has been challenged by racism but poo-poo'ed.

Similar marijuane penalties in lots of states eased up when middle class kids got involved in it.

On firearms boards - it is not uncommon for so-called advocates of the RKBA to call for bans of cheap guns also or put down "mouse guns" - the guns of the poor.

In fact, let someone make a good cheap and reliable 25 ACP. Shouldn't be hard.

Weapons phobia is hoplophobia.
 
Good observation. I believe this phenomenon should be known as "class disarmament."

The root is the notion that poverty-stricken classes should be denied all access to weaponry.

I think all of us here recognize this as a first step to a world where only the elite have the capacity to defend themselves, or impose their will on the rest of us.
 
This Neo-Socialist Oligarchy we have is becoming the same thing as the network of Noble families in Medieval Europe that controlled every country.

Look at the last names of our Fed-level politicians of the last century.

Their contempt and disregard for our well-being and Liberty is on par with that of the Nobles' for the peasantry.
You know full well peasants had no right to keep swords and crossbows.
The chosen knights and footmen had all they wanted.
Our Knights are BATF, FBI, Fed Marshals, DevGroup, Delta, DEA, etc.

Have you noticed how National Gaurd units have very strict acces proceedures for drawing their arms? The NG is more likely to side with a citizen revolt than the above memntioned groups. Who helps keep track of NG arms? FBI.
 
Get rid of the "r" word. Although race may play a part in the equation to disarm America, it is not aimed specifically at any one racial group. It is aimed at the members of the lower socioeconomic members of our society, who can not pay for high end weapons and must rely on Saturday night specials or illegaly acquired weapons. Maybe "economic elitists" would be more appropriate, although the idea of Rosie being elitist in any form makes me sick.
 
Sumabich, I think you're onto something here.

AK9: technically you're right: the word 'racist' refers to race, not economic status.

However, the word 'elitist' simply doesn't have the emotional kick that 'racist' does, and thus is not as useful a term. The battle is for emotions as well as minds.

Demographically, I think you could make the case that people who want to do away with cheap weaponry are really concerned about guns in the hands of non-whites, particularly ghetto dwellers. Sanitizing it doesn't make it any less racist.

Glenn: 'Hoplophobia', while technically correct and already extant, doesn't have much ring to it. I'm afraid we'll have to neologize one a bit more catchy. That's how the language grows ...

I think we should look for one that means, 'fear of the people' or 'fear of commoners' .... populiphobia? demophobia?


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"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Louis D. Brandeis
 
You know, whenever you see bad practices NOT applied to the wealthy, sometimes what's going on isn't quite what you'd think.

Example: in my county of Contra Costa (California), there's no question about CCW permits being handed out to the wealthy in prefence over the "lower classes". It's clear both from actual practice, and even published policies on what (rich) cities get preference.

The "gun specialist" attorneys I've talked to say you can't really get anywhere with that, because equal protection principles don't make "economic class" a protected discrimination factor.

Then I talked to a civil rights attorney. Not only was he not surprised this was happening, he called it a "hallmark" of a typical pattern of discrimination. What happens is, when the policies in question are illegal (in part or in whole) and/or unconstitutional, people who have the money to fight them in court don't get screwed.

This is a VERY important point.

All forms of "discretionary permits" are unconstitutional and many are either illegal, or are being enforced in an illegal fashion. That includes the NFA "local law enforcement signoff" for Class3, and the various state discretionary ownership or carry licenses. In a few cases we've even seen widespread illegality in shall-issue systems, Virginia of all places had a bit of that going on in areas close to WashDC.

TRACK WEALTH-BASED DISCRIMINATION WHEREVER YOU FIND IT. It's a sure sign of trouble you can sue over, or at least expose.

Jim March
Equal Rights for CCW Home Page http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw
 
Excellent points, all!

....And if you add the decided anti-South, pro-New England attitudes of our Socio-Political elite, the picture and its frame become even clearer.

"Fly-over country", "redneck", "someone just out of Deliverance"..... ring a bell?
 
Ok everyone, some of you are thinking. This is a race but not a race issue. In order to make it discrimination it has to fall under current guidelines unless the guidelines are amended. Race, creed,national origin,sex,age,handicapped. What if organized groups representing each filed suit that the government actually discriminated on gunownership based upon the those guidelines? I stated that we needed to come up with a commonly used "phobia" term because some politically active groups have already done that (witness homophobic) and it puts the other side on the defensive. Imagine Ted,Rosie, and Diane trying to argue out of that one! I stand by my original premise that what is going on is discrimination and it is in fact racial but this time it crosses all racial barriers, thus Economic Racism. Pax "fear of commoners" is pretty danged close. ? Latin for common? Keep thinking everyone!
 
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I got hold of 20 or so years ago. I think I was younger than 10. It said, "Gun Control= Racism." I didn't have a vehicle at the time, of course, so I put it on my bedroom closet door. It's still there to this day. Except it's not my bedroom anymore, it's my mother's computer room.
 
When dealing with a anti the term "Socialist" Should NEVER be used. Ok now I know they're socialists, and they sure as hell know. But to Joe Blow Citizen it sounds like typical Right-wing Hate speech. Use the term "Elitist"
Goes like this:
Me: "Rosie is a Elitist"
Anti-"Why?"
"Because she has a secured home with armed guards and won't let single mothers on welfare have the same."

:) "Saturday Night Special Laws Are Elitist"
:( "Why?"
:) "Because it removes the only type of effective weapon that a welfare mother could afford. But dosen't effect the rich."

:) "Non-shall Issue States are Elitist"
:( "Why?"
:) "Because many times, poorer people like convenance store clerks are turned down. But the Rich like Bankers or Lawyers are accepted."

I Would say that 95% of everyone on these boards are Conservative. And as such normaly we would disagree with certain left leaning people/organisations. However, If we are able to link the Concept of Gun Rights=Civil Rights, those who might be our enemy in some aspects could be our best friends in others.

Take a good look at some of the last few World Trade Organization Meetings for a classic example.
 
Meji_man great, JPFO uses the "elitist" term but it is'nt offensive. We need words that evoke a reaction by all. Words that paint the picture so (as we say in the south) "eugly" (that's butt ugly)that people are offended by the mere sound. If you called Rosie an elitist to her face she probably wouldn't have a clue what you were saying. But.. use the word racist in combination with another word and her "holier than thou elitist liberism" would make her insane trying to defend herself. Then the most beautiful come back of all time, "Rosie, you sound defensive"! Keep thinking, it's out there. As Kirk would say, "more power Scottie"! Words (Names) have power. We need the right name!
 
Idea follows. You tell me whether it could ever work. And I don't mean any offense to anyone, just in case:

African-American gun owners organize, including persons of all colors into their org.(like JPFO). Revive the Gun Control=Racism slogan/bumpersticker. Find true stories of African-Americans who have used a gun to defend themselves against some of the "twelve children" (mostly gangsters) who "die every day." Have African-American gun owners (or actors, hey, all's fair . . .) describe what it would be like to live in their area without any means to protect themselves, or if they had to pay $600 for a gun.

Can/Should it be done? Where, the south or the north? Los Angeles? How to get such a movement started?

Ledbetter
 
Remember if you go offensive they'll nail you to a cross. The Trick is to get them to go offensive first. I like Elitist because it hasn't been done to death. And It lends itself to so many other interpretations.

(Intellectual Elitist) - Full time student, no real world experiance. "I know better than you"
(Social Elitist) "Because of my standing I know better than you" read professional polititions and the Kennedy's

There is a really great post that has the different types of Anti's on one of these boards. Read it for more ideas.
 
I really don't think that the term "economic racist" is so bad. It is at least as correct as "native American" which is accepted at almost any liberal gathering.(There are no "natives" here, everyone or the thier ancesters imigrated from somewhere else) Besides, it will be cool to see the antis' turn different colors as they attempt to deny being a "racist" of any kind. This is the SAME argument they use to justify abortion. Rich people can always get an abortion somehow, it's not fair that poor people can't-Therefore everyone is entitled to abortion on demand. Just substitute guns for the word abortion and see how they like that.

Don
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"fear of commoners" is pretty danged close. ? Latin for common? Keep thinking everyone![/quote]

Plebaphobia = fear of common people (the plebians). You could use it like this:

Rosie O'Donut is a plebaphobe because she's afraid of the common people. She believes that because she has money and social standing, it is acceptable for her to pay armed bodyguards to defend her children, but she denies that poor women's children are worth the same protection. I guess she's afraid that someone in the lower economic brackets would immediately go shoot someone if you let them have the means to protect their kids. This plebaphobic reaction is inappropriate.

Feedback?

pax


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"Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt, Earl of Chatham
 
Pax, I like the concept, but it isn't visceral enough to garner public attention.
It requires thought, for which most people won't expend the energy. The words have to be reduced to bumper-sticker levels of thought.
"Cultural bigots" or "cultural elitists" or "economic bigots" or "economic elitists?"

Dick
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You're definitely on to something. Words matter, and the anti's have been winning that war.

I prefer 'gun bigot'. And, these people are generally anti-self defense gun bigots.

How does it feel to be a member of a group that is regularly called 'gun nuts', 'pistol packers', 'trigger heads', 'red necks', 'Neanderthals', etc.? Pick the right forum, make derogatory comments like this about other groups (ala John Rocker), and you too can become newsworthy. ;)

But, it is just fine and dandy to denegrate an entire class of people who simple exercise one of their civil / fundamental rights.

Note, I have had some limited luck in making this argument to newspaper editors and reporters. Let them know that you don't appreciate their 'bigotry'. They hate being called bigots, but if they look at their words honestly, it is an inescapable conclusion.

For more, great verbiage, please see Alan Korwin's 'Politically Corrected Glossary of Terms' at http://gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm

Regards from AZ
 
Seems to me that the term "economic racist" would be inaccurate, since "race" is something that a person can't change or prevent. Racism is not based on how someone acts or on what they are like as people, but simply on skin color and physical features.
That's why cases that treat homosexuality that same as race don't work, because homosexuality is an action or state-of-being, and can (at least theoretically) be controlled or "cured." While one may have homosexaul tendencies, there is still a conscious decision to act upon those tendencies that makes the person an actual homosexual. That doesn't happen in race. (Don't flame me for that, it's just my opinion, protected by the 1st Amendment! :) )

Perhaps a better term for "economic racist" would be "elitist." I think we all know what that is. I think the proper term for what happens is "economic discrimination", "fiscal discrimination", "class discrimination", or "class distinction." All pretty-much equivalent terms that are all equally unjust and wrong!
 
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