The Militia: An Interview

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THE MICHIGAN MILITIA
INTERVIEW WITH LEE MIRACLE, COORDINATOR, SMVM

By: William Kaliher

Note to Readers: F.B.I. in awe of Kaliher solving the Cock Robin mystery.

Today’s article features an interview with Mr. Lee Miracle, Coordinator, SMVM (Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia) of the Michigan Militia. It will provide a view ignored by the national press namely, an accurate look at the men and women voluntarily standing up for America and the Constitution.

WBK: I appreciate you taking the time for this interview. With your permission I’ll use Lee instead of Mr. Miracle.

Lee: You’re welcome, Lee is much preferred.

WBK: It seems everyone has an opinion of what a militia is. How would you sum it up as a member?

Lee: Bill, it's important to realize the militia is really about the readiness posture of the citizenry, and that is probably the most important, certainly not the only, but the most important part of any kind of "Homeland Security." We're not just about guns and camouflage, but also about everybody--everybody being ready to deal with any threat to their way of life, their freedom. It's about being educated, informed, armed, and prepared to help each other in times of crisis.

WBK: I appreciate that summary. Do members utilize military rank?

Lee: No, we use Unit Coordinator, sometimes Deputy Coordinator (rarely), Team Leader (this being the backbone of small unit operations), and Assistant Team leader as needed. Sometimes position is used instead of actual rank, such as "Senior Training NCO", "Senior Medic" and the like.

WBK: How long have you been a member of the Michigan Militia?

Lee: Since September 1994. There have been a lot of changes...evolution, if you will, over the past ten or eleven years. There was sort of a huge surge in the beginning. That wasn't a bad thing, per se, but there was not a lot of direction, just everybody joining up. Now, things are focused, more concentrated, perhaps more planned or structured. We are developing a good cadre, a good core of people, and a good set of training sessions and goals. I don't think I can single out one particular moment that stands out, but the fact that I am involved with such an intelligent, dedicated group of people, who are committed to the idea of an armed, trained citizenry, really keeps me going. These folks are what America is about, really.

WBK: Many people don’t realize how the militias are armed or where and how they train. Can you touch on those points?

Lee: As volunteers, we buy our own arms, ammo, and gear. Those who can afford to have much newer, more high-tech rifles and gear. Those younger folks, or those on a tight budget, tend toward less-expensive, but still effective, surplus bolt-action rifles, and used or even home made gear. We help each other gear up when and where we can, and you can almost always find somebody with pieces of gear that have been passed along or handed down to the next guy.

We normally train on a farm in Central Michigan, but can and have done so elsewhere. We are always looking for a few good acres to set up more ranges on, though. We train mostly on individual readiness and small unit tactics, movement as a fire team, evacuating an injured person, and so forth. We have other things that qualify as training, such as first aid classes, as well.

WBK: Thanks. What I term the socialist press spends a lot of time slandering groups like the Michigan Militia. I recall a few years ago the innuendo of racism and them raising the specter of citizens actually living the Second Amendment. I noticed on your site a lot of effort was made to discount slurs of that type. Beyond having to explain what anyone should know about a Militia, have those charges harmed recruiting or your organization in any manner?

Lee: People, who can think for themselves, without having an opinion assigned to them by the press, tend to see beyond that kid of slander. Those are the free-thinking people who get involved. If someone allows the mainstream media to dictate their thoughts, do we trust that person with a firearm?

WBK: What a wonderfully insightful answer. You’re absolutely right. Have you had to reject people as members due to an inability to grasp what a free militia’s purpose is? And while we’re on that topic, please explain the purpose of the Michigan Militia.

Lee: No, we haven't had to reject people because they get their life's view from CNN. Those kinds of folks want nothing to do with us. We simply embrace the truth that an armed citizenry is the best way to deter crime, invasion, terrorism, and tyranny. That's really what the idea of a militia boils down to. That, and preparing for emergencies and helping each other out.

WBK: I noticed there were eight local militias listed under the Michigan Militia website. If you would, let the readers know how your organization is set up.

Lee: We tend to be more of a loose confederation of associated units or elements across the state. Some work closely together, some act more along the lines of small, lone-wolf type units. As long as we are working toward a society that secures itself, is well-armed, and respects, understands, and defends The Constitution, we get along with each other rather nicely.

Locally, here in Metro Detroit, we have evolved into the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia. This consists of six local counties training together. Statewide, there are many groups, mostly organized by county, but not all. The MMCW, or Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines still maintains a loose communication network throughout the state, and we communicate with each other frequently. Truth be told, the basic operational element of any militia unit, and indeed a free society, is the individual.

WBK: I’d never thought of a militia in an urban setting. I’d guess after eleven years you have a good idea of the differences between an urban and rural militia. I’d appreciate hearing how some of those concerns differ. Also, do the local militias ever come together for large scale training?

Lee: Well, wherever you have citizens, there you have the makings of a militia. Most of the training we do can apply to either urban or rural settings. Marksmanship, first aid, small unit tactics, generally can be applied anywhere. I guess some of the differences would be that in a non-urban setting, you might need to increase the range of your marksmanship training, and in an urban setting, you need to consider closer ranges, and more three-dimensional tactics. The rebels in Grozny a few years back demonstrated some effective urban resistance tactics, and that's the kind of things American city dwellers need to look at.

Yes we come together sometimes. You have to understand that the words "large scale" are completely subjective....

WBK: If there are people in other states or parts of Michigan who would like to start a militia, does your organization have a representative they could contact for information?

Lee: We have a section on the website about starting a local unit. Also, you could contact Rick Haynes, the Information Officer from the MMCW. He could help with networking. The best thing is to get out your intent to start a group, build a web page, and then start forming up from there.

WBK: Now, I better get to the part of this interview I like. I almost moved up and joined after I saw the beautiful ladies who adorn your calendars. I believe that link is: http://www.michiganmilitia.com/SMVM/smvm.htm . Tell me a bit about the calendars and how often the ladies participate in various events and training?

Lee: http://www.michiganmilitia.com/gallery.htm is one of the links. The calendars were started years ago as a fund raiser to pay for the web hosting and domain registration. The ladies don't participate in as much training as we would like, to be honest, but they are always welcome. They also serve to counter some of the misconceptions of the militia as grim-faced prophets of doom who don't have any fun. They also dispel the rumor we are all religious extremists.

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WBK: Well Lee, let me know when the next calendar is coming out and how much they cost. I’ve got a feeling a good many Ether Zone readers might appreciate the Michigan scenery on those calendars.

Lee: We won't even be able to consider the next calendar until toward the end of June and into July. We are always looking for local girls to participate... The calendars will be available on www.michiganmilitia.com, or you can send your address to Militia Babes Calendar, PO Box 40866, Redford, MI 48240, and we can send out a postcard or something when they are released.

WBK: As I reviewed your site it’s obvious you have a lot of get-togethers, fellowship, and plain old good times as well as the more serious business of preparing a fighting militia. I also noticed kids enjoying some of your events. Please give me a run-down on some of the programs and events that aren’t one hundred percent serious.

Lee: Anytime you handle firearms has to be 100 percent serious, but we have public meetings at local restaurants. We try to assemble training tapes and take the preparation parts of things that we do seriously, but have fun, too. Life is to enjoy, and to have fun with. The calendars are a good example. We encourage kids to come and learn some firearm safety, and we try to get them to associate "militia" with "fun." We have a lot of training in June: Basic Pistol for beginners, regular training on June 4th, First Aid Classes on the 11th and 12th, and a CCW class on the 18th and we are also working on our own soundtrack. Seriously.

WBK: Tell me about the soundtrack.

Lee: One of our members, it turns out, is an excellent guitar player. I am talking professional type of stuff. At first we wanted to just lay down some original background music for some of our training videos, but it has grown a bit beyond that. I have no idea when he will get more done on this, but he has four songs on a demo, and this looks like it will completely rock. Hopefully later this year, we can see more of this. The guy is good. We could be the only militia unit in the US with our own original soundtrack. How cool is that?

WBK: I’d like to hear him but getting back to the more serious side, what’s the history of the Michigan Militia.

Lee: Whew. This has been covered a lot. Norm Olson, Ray Southwell, and a bunch of other great guys got this started in 1993. Man, that's 12 years ago...wow. Anyway, in some way shape or form, we’ve been around since. In 1995, the OKC bombing sent a lot, and I mean a lot of folks underground or just plain away. Thing is, the militia people I know would have easily given their own lives to save those people, especially the kids, killed in that. The die-hard militia people hung around and kept the faith, though. After 9-11, we saw a different type of person get involved, the people who just wanted to be ready in the event of some other type of terrorist attack, blackout, or other disaster.

WBK: I believe every patriot in America knew where the militia stood during the Oklahoma City bombing. Heck, probably every American except those working in the major media. Thankfully they didn’t add that tripe to their 9-11 coverage. However, how did the Michigan Militia form up during 9-11? You know it’s kind of nice to realize there’s a militia available during such a disaster.

Lee: Well, a lot of people felt the need to do something after 9-11. Some chose to better prepare themselves and their neighbors. These folks got involved with their local militia units. Some even started new units. An armed, trained, educated citizenry is the best Homeland Defense. More people began to realize this after 9-11.

WBK: Many people are worried about U.N. troops entering America, a depression causing the cities to explode to problems over illegal immigration. Exactly what is the Michigan Militia prepared for?

Lee: It would be great to say that we have enough numbers and training to defend the entire state, but we are working on individual and small unit readiness. We’re trying to be prepared for a number of events. During the last blackout, one MMCW Commander from Macomb County put on his uniform, went to the biggest local intersection, and directed traffic. Another member handed out flashlights and bottled water to residents of a local retirement home. Another even loaned out a shotgun or two to some neighbors,--just in case. When we prepare as individuals, we can make a difference in times of crisis. One of Washtenaw County's finest militia people regularly drives around his area with a chain saw after big storms and clears the roads of fallen trees. Nobody wants any recognition or pay for this kind of thing. This is what Americans are supposed to do...

As for the UN? They did a fine job in Katanga, huh? Let your readers look that one up. They are too bungling and incompetent to occupy the U.S., but Kofi Annan is always looking to increase and expand their capabilities. So the current UN is really not a threat to a free and armed America. It's the next version of the UN that troubles us...

WBK: Is the Militia having any major problems now? I know the ACLU and other anti-American organizations are always on the attack.

Lee: Not all of us see the ACLU as completely anti-American. They’ve come out strongly against the Patriot Act, so they should get some credit for that. The SPLC, and Morris Dees and these other panic-oriented groups that use people's fear as a major fundraising tool really piss us off. Then again, they do publicize our events and serve as a nice information source for people who want to cut through the nonsense and lies and come find out what it's really about. Sparky the Militia Watchdog has sent more than a few folks our way....

WBK: Okay, I have to occasionally and grudgingly give the ACLU a bit of credit myself, but tell me about Sparky the Militia Watchdog. That’s a new one to me.

Lee: One of the websites, http://www.militia-watchdog.org/default.asp has a bulldog as its mascot. The bulldog is Sparky the Militia Watchdog. People used to find local militia groups through that site. The site is run by the anti-militia extremists in the ADL. They love whipping people up into a frothy, donation-giving frenzy by portraying the militia as some kind of threat. Hey, if you can successfully scare people into donating, good for you then, I guess.

WBK: I don’t know if you can discuss your membership numbers, but I’m more curious about what percent of the population you think are in reserve. For instance, I’m not a member of a militia, but would step forward in a second over many issues.

Lee: There are between 80-100 million gun owners in this country. Give us 10 percent of that, and we'll be happy. Actually, The SMVM has only between 30 and 50 card carrying members. Maybe you can triple that number with supporters and interested participants, and other active folks, so say a couple of hundred locally, tops. Then add the X-factor, the ones waiting in the wings, then it's anybody's guess. I hope it's a lot. I hope our neighbors are ready to defend themselves and each other. They should be.

WBK: Does the Michigan Militia coordinate with other state militias?

Lee: We share training suggestions, and we trade ideas. We discuss sources for gear, information, and things like that. Overall, though, most militia groups tend to operate as autonomous units. Most militia units are limited by law to operations only within their own state.

WBK: Did the Michigan Militia work with the Minutemen in any manner in Arizona recently?

Lee: Directly, no. For the record, no. We think they are great and wish them success and everything. Gee, if we pulled out of Iraq, we would have enough of our own paid military to guard our own borders. What a novel concept. Officially, as a group, we cannot, by law and by our own regulations, operate outside of Michigan. Individual citizens may do what they wish.

WBK: It sounds like any citizen of Michigan, concerned about the Constitution, would be warmly received by your organization. I’ve got the web site and a mailing address above but is there any other advice for people who might have an interest in the militia.

Lee: Bill, it's important for people to jump in with an open mind. I know that sounds cliché, but it's true. This is really, truly, and simply, about citizens from all walks of life preparing themselves to help their neighbors out if needed. There is no single mindset or philosophy that we can be pigeonholed into. We may even have a vegetarian member or two, and we don't hold that against them. I would advise people to thoroughly read the web site, and feel free to come to a meeting or e-mail us with any questions. This is really for everybody.

WBK: Thank you again, Lee.



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