the following might prove interesting, worrysome too

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alan

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I could not view the video. Best I got were some quite small still shots, no detail visible, and references to downloading apple.quicktime, which didn't work either.

Anyhow, respecting the prose commentary following below, one wonders as to whether the police have lost track of the virtues of a little COMMON SENSE and the application thereof. There might be enough fault, on both sides, to go around, but have we come to the point where instant, immediate and groveling obedience is required, lest The Fuzz deploys their latest in WHIZZ-BANG TOYS? One would hope not, but one wonders.

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

June 10, 2005

JPFO ALERT: Sobering Police Video: What Are You Going to Do?

Watch this police video ASAP, before it is taken down from
the Internet.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...ws/video/taser_
video4.html (or http://tinyurl.com/apekj )

The police video shows the stop and arrest of a woman
driver in Florida. She was stopped for speeding and having
a brake light not functioning. She protested the stop and
asked for the officer's name and unit number. The officer
delayed answering her questions and belittled them.

The officer later expanded his grounds for stopping the
woman to include having a broken windshield and her not
wearing a seat belt.

Note: the woman committed no violent act and had not
endangered anyone up to the time of the stop.

The officer told the woman to stay in the car while he
radioed for information. The officer apparently learned
via the radio that the woman's driver's license was
suspended.

The woman started to call a contact person on her cell
phone, but the officer returned to her car and told her to
put the phone down and get out of the car. The officer was
preparing to arrest the woman for driving on a suspended
license.

The officer did not know whom the woman was calling, but
the officer did not allow the woman to complete her
telephone conversation.

The woman did not want to exit the vehicle until she
finished with the telephone call. The officer did not wait
any time at all before ordering the woman out, and when she
delayed and protested, he threatened several times and then
deployed the Taser device against her once or twice.

Getting Tasered means having two metal darts shot into your
body, and then having 50,000 volts zapped into you via the
wires connected to the darts.

Note well: the woman was arrested because of a paperwork
violation, not because she had committed any crime that
endangered or harmed anyone. The woman was Tasered because
she did not immediately obey the officer's commands, and
because she resisted the officer's taking the phone out of
her hands and his trying to extract her from the car.

Was this arrest proper? Did the officer use the
appropriate amount of force? The legal answers are for a
judge and jury.

For gun owners, the message is clear. This video shows one
real way that "gun control" laws will be enforced against
you. As registration and licensing and other so-called
reasonable "gun control" laws are enacted, your risk of
breaking those laws increases. A paperwork violation will
be enforced; the enforcers will use batons, Tasers, pepper
spray, or sidearms to take you down and bring you in.

Watch the video, especially segment 3.

Ask yourself what you would do when they come for you or
someone you love -- on account of a gun law paperwork
violation.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...ws/video/taser_
video4.html

If you don't like the prospect of forcible arrest for a
paperwork violation, then you need to help us turn
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For gun owners, the message is clear. This video shows one
real way that "gun control" laws will be enforced against
you. As registration and licensing and other so-called
reasonable "gun control" laws are enacted, your risk of
breaking those laws increases. A paperwork violation will
be enforced; the enforcers will use batons, Tasers, pepper
spray, or sidearms to take you down and bring you in.
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What does the fact that she refused the lawful order of the police have to do with gun laws? If the police catch you with a gun, you refuse to show your CCW permit and refuse to exit the car when the cop tells you to, you'll be lucky if the only thing you get is tasered.
 
Apparently most police don't support the BoR's. No big surprise to me.
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Not sure what you mean. If I pull you over for a traffic violation and see the butt of a gun under your coat and tell you to get out of the car, that's a violation of the Bill of Rights?
 
What does the fact that she refused the lawful order of the police have to do with gun laws?
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Don't the police either have to have a warrent or place you under arrest before they can order you to do anything? The first mention of the word "arrest" didn't occur until well after the woman was dragged from the car.
 
No... In Texas you can be arrested for any traffic violation except for speeding. Probably much the same in other states.

LOL..the lady had an expired drivers liscense to begin with so she knew what the deal was.....

Why dont folks just obey the lawful orders of a police officer instead of giving him a load of hooey. All she had to do was step out of the car and we wouldnt have been discussing this incident...she would probably have gotten a ticket for driving with a suspended lisence and have been on her way.

Even if a Police Officer is an a** Im not going to roll in the mud with him and end up getting beaten or tasered..lol. Time for complaints and stuff after Im gone.

the lady was an idiot......

I have been stopped on traffic violations with handguns in the car....
just informed the officer I did, he checked em out and I was on my way....

9 times outta 10 I get off with a warning....

as far as having a CCW.. In Texas we all took the class passed the test and know that if you are stopped you give the officer you DL and CHL. if you didnt you just broke the law because when he radios it in guess what pops up!
 
cops + tasers = bad idea...

that being said, unless there was something specific, or a safty hazard to the officer, I wouldn't of gotten out either, just complied with handing over the ID and take the ticket.
 
well you can thank the politicians and the few police officers who over did it for tasers as it is not politically correct to club people.......
 
Uh, was this an officer safety issue?

Oh yeah, she had a cell phone...mighta been one of those cell phone guns so in that case I suppose the officer showed extraordinary restraint in not shooting her. :barf:
 
Why dont folks just obey the lawful orders of a police officer instead of giving him a load of hooey.
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The point I was trying to make was when does an order from a police officer become a "lawful order"? I was under the impression that that occurs only after they've placed you under arrest.
 
Eghad wrote, among other things:

No... In Texas you can be arrested for any traffic violation except for speeding. Probably much the same in other states.

If I'm taking something out of context, please excuse me but re the above, does that mean what it seems to mean.

That one could be taken off to jail for failing to stop at a stop sign, or for making a left turn when signage indicated no left turns here, but in the event of speeding, one can only be cited, that is given a ticket?

Granted, I NOT familiar with the Texas Vehicle Code, or whatever it might be called, but that sounds sort of strange to me.
 
The police don't need probable cause or reasonable suspicion of anything more than a traffic offense to compel you to get out of the car on a traffic stop.

The Texas thing is basically correct. I argued with a cop from Texas about it before and he showed me the code. I questioned whether it was legal for a woman to be arrested (she was compelled to go to the station with the officer) because of a seatbelt violation, and it was. The court upheld the arrest.

Uh, was this an officer safety issue?
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Maybe she has a load of cocaine in the trunck and she's giving the chase car directions, such as "....he's going to search the car, drive by and run him over".
 
Maybe she has a load of cocaine in the trunck and she's giving the chase car directions, such as "....he's going to search the car, drive by and run him over".
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...and maybe she was calling to tell the sitter that she was going to be late.

Ah, well, at least Johnny Law went home safe after his shift, and that's all that really matters, right?
 
Ah, well, at least Johnny Law went home safe after his shift, and that's all that really matters, right?
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I think the important thing is that the officer safely did his job within the confines of the constitution despite the fact that the woman wouldn't obey a lawful order.
 
If you got stopped by an officer you have just been detained....for a violation

so the police officer is probably giving you a lwful order if he asks you to step out of the car

If I'm taking something out of context, please excuse me but re the above, does that mean what it seems to mean.

That one could be taken off to jail for failing to stop at a stop sign, or for making a left turn when signage indicated no left turns here, but in the event of speeding, one can only be cited, that is given a ticket?

Granted, I NOT familiar with the Texas Vehicle Code, or whatever it might be called, but that sounds sort of strange to me.
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yup it means that....
 
I think the important thing is that the officer safely did his job within the confines of the constitution despite the fact that the woman wouldn't obey a lawful order.
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Which constitution would that be frank, the nazi Germany one? I checked the American Constituion and I couldn't find the section that said the LEO's shall taser women on the phone.

And waddaya mean she might've had a load of cocaine in the trunk? HE might've been one of those isolated incident renegade cops guilty of treason against the constitution...Works both ways.
 
This woman had me on her side right up until the cop initiated pulling her over. Actually, she may have lost me earlier.

When she started saying 'I'm mahkin' a fone cawl' I was willing the officer to begin the tasing. When he finally did it and she was doing her best to win an academy award for bad acting and scenery chewing, I started praying for him to shoot her or something, after my uncontrollable giggling wore off and I noticed that she had been screaming for several minutes after being tased. I mean come on, this person is possibly the least sympathy inducing that I have ever seen, from attitude to actions.

I rate the good parts of the video four out of five baby's daddys.
 
Tasers are less-lethal; they are not non-lethal. I think it was excessive use of force. If the two officers didn't think they could safely get her out of the car without tasing her, maybe they should have waited for backup.

After about the third minute of her wailing, though, they should have put tape over her mouth or something. That was really annoying.

1) 51mph in a 35mph zone
2) brake light out
3) broken windshield (unclear whether it was broken or cracked)
4) no seat belt
and after he ran her DL
5) expired driver's license
 
Which constitution would that be frank, the nazi Germany one? I checked the American Constituion and I couldn't find the section that said the LEO's shall taser women on the phone.
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Read the case law. I'm not going to get into another "Even though the Supreme Court says it's constitutional, I know it's not" argument.

Tasers are less-lethal; they are not non-lethal.
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So is PPCT, pepper spray, batons, etc......If she didn't want to come out of that car and the cops would have had to drag her out manually, there is just as much chance, if not more, that she would have been injured that way than with the taser.
 
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