The FBI's Monitoring E Mail

Hard Ball

New member
FBI's system to covertly search
e-mail raises privacy, legal issues

By Neil King Jr. and Ted Bridis
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

WASHINGTON, July 11 — The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is
using a superfast system called Carnivore to covertly search e-mails
for messages from criminal suspects.
ESSENTIALLY A PERSONAL COMPUTER stuffed with specialized software,
Carnivore represents a new twist in the federal government's
fight to
sustain its snooping powers in the Internet age. But in employing the
system, which can scan millions of e-mails a second, the FBI has
upset privacy advocates and some in the computer industry. Experts
say the system opens a thicket of unresolved legal issues and privacy
concerns.
The FBI developed the Internet wiretapping system at a special agency
lab at Quantico, Va., and dubbed it Carnivore for its ability to get
to "the meat" of what would otherwise be an enormous quantity
of
data. FBI technicians unveiled the system to a roomful of astonished
industry specialists here two weeks ago in order to steer efforts to
develop standardized ways of complying with federal wiretaps. Federal
investigators say they have used Carnivore in fewer than 100 criminal
cases since its launch early last year.
Word of the Carnivore system has disturbed many in the Internet
industry because, when deployed, it must be hooked directly into
Internet service providers' computer networks.
Word of the Carnivore system has disturbed many in the Internet
industry because, when deployed, it must be hooked directly into
Internet service providers' computer networks. That would give
the
government, at least theoretically, the ability to eavesdrop on all
customers' digital communications, from e-mail to online banking
and
Web surfing.
The system also troubles some Internet service providers, who are
loath to see outside software plugged into their systems. In many
cases, the FBI keeps the secret Carnivore computer system in a locked
cage on the provider's premises, with agents making daily visits
to
retrieve the data captured from the provider's network. But legal
challenges to the use of Carnivore are few, and judges' rulings
remain sealed because of the secretive nature of the investigations.
Internet wiretaps are conducted only under state or federal judicial
order, and occur relatively infrequently. The huge majority of
wiretaps continue to be the traditional telephone variety, though
U.S. officials say the use of Internet eavesdropping is growing as
everyone from drug dealers to potential terrorists begins to conduct
business over the Web.
The FBI defends Carnivore as more precise than Internet wiretap
methods used in the past. The bureau says the system allows
investigators to tailor an intercept operation so they can pluck only
the digital traffic of one person from among the stream of millions
of other messages. An earlier version, aptly code-named Omnivore,
could suck in as much as to six gigabytes of data every hour, but in
a less discriminating fashion.
Still, critics contend that Carnivore is open to abuse.
Mark Rasch, a former federal computer-crimes prosecutor, said the
nature of the surveillance by Carnivore raises important privacy
questions, since it analyzes part of every snippet of data traffic
that flows past, if only to determine whether to record it for
police.
"It's the electronic equivalent of listening to
everybody's phone
calls to see if it's the phone call you should be
monitoring," Mr.
Rasch said. "You develop a tremendous amount of information."
"It's the electronic equivalent of listening to
everybody's phone
calls to see if it's the phone call you should be
monitoring," Mr.
Rasch said. "You develop a tremendous amount of information."
Others say the technology dramatizes how far the nation's laws
are
lagging behind the technological revolution. "This is a clever
way to
use old telephone-era statutes to meet new challenges, but clearly
there is too much latitude in the current law," said Stewart
Baker, a
lawyer specializing in telecommunications and Internet regulatory
matters.
Robert Corn-Revere, of the Hogan & Hartson law firm here, represented
an unidentified Internet service provider in one of the few legal
fights against Carnivore. He said his client worried that the FBI
would have access to all the e-mail traffic on its system, raising
dire privacy and security concerns. A federal magistrate ruled
against the company early this year, leaving it no option but to
allow the FBI access to its system.
"This is an area in desperate need of clarification from
Congress,"
said Mr. Corn-Revere.
"Once the software is applied to the ISP, there's no check on
the
system," said Rep. Bob Barr (R., Ga.), who sits on a House
judiciary
subcommittee for constitutional affairs. "If there's one word
I would
use to describe this, it would be `frightening."'
Marcus Thomas, chief of the FBI's Cyber Technology Section at
Quantico, said Carnivore represents the bureau's effort to keep
abreast of rapid changes in Internet communications while still
meeting the rigid demands of federal wiretapping statutes. "This
is
just a very specialized sniffer," he said.
He also noted that criminal and civil penalties prohibit the bureau
from placing unauthorized wiretaps, and any information gleaned in
those types of criminal cases would be thrown out of court. Typical
Internet wiretaps last around 45 days, after which the FBI removes
the equipment. Mr. Thomas said the bureau usually has as many as 20
Carnivore systems on hand, "just in case."
FBI experts acknowledge that Carnivore's monitoring can be
stymied
with computer data such as e-mail that is scrambled using powerful
encryption technology. Those messages still can be captured, but law
officers trying to read the contents are "at the mercy of how
well it
was encrypted," Mr. Thomas said.
Most of the criminal cases where the FBI used Carnivore in the past
18 months focused on what the bureau calls "infrastructure
protection," or the hunt for hackers, though it also was used in
counterterrorism and some drug-trafficking cases.
I may be feeling a bit parinoid but I wonder if the FBI is monitoring my e-mail or yours?
 
I may be feeling a bit parinoid but I wonder if the FBI is monitoring my e-mail or yours?

I hope they are. The fsckers apparently didn't learn anything from the uproar over Echelon.

HEY FEDS! BITE ME!
 
Paranoid? Then don't email information about illegal activities that you perform, plan to perform, or would like to perform! Keep in mind, the FBI is not the only outfit looking at people's email. Other people are out there trying to get confidential information that people email without realizing how secure email isn't. Birth records, names, credit card information, and such are data people want and email simply is not that secure. Why do you think on-line retailers have secured connections for processing orders and credit card numbers? Email does not appear as a secured connection, so don't treat it as such.

As far as it being a surprise that the FBI could be searching email, it ain't. As far as this posting warning of such events, it is simply part of the ongoing warnings that occur in regulated communications. Back in the 1970s during the CB radio heyday, every so often you would hear someone talking about how the "FCC was in town" and looking for people who broke the law. While I knew a lot of people, many of whom were not legal users of CB radio, I never heard of any of them being visited by the FCC, much less being busted.

Simply don't email information on something that you know is illegal. Better yet, if you do something illegal, don't ever tell anyone about it, on email, the phone, or in person.
 
Sorry, Gopher, gotta disagree here. This is really about the assumption of guilt.

No, I'm never going to commit any crimes over email or the Internet. But I don't like the idea of being treated as if I am, or might. It goes back to the Citizen or Subject thing.

Then there's this little tidbit:

"But legal challenges to the use of Carnivore are few, and judges' rulings remain sealed because of the secretive nature of the investigations."

That tells me that info gathered from the system isn't being entered into evidence in a court of law. If it had, undoubtedly it would be seriously challenged. I would speculate that that's because the Feds don't want it challenged. Its not illegal until its ruled so, and it won't be ruled so until it becomes part of a court case and precedents are set. Until then you'd have a hard time proving the system ever intercepted one of your personal emails, so you really don't have a civil case either. As long as the FBI never brings this thing to the light of day in court, they can continue this for a long, long time.
 
This Carnivore ain't a good thing for anybody but Big Brother. I, for one, have decided that if they read my mail, and I'm able to catch them at it, I'm going to their house to read theirs.

HEY FEDS! BITE ME! (as Coinneach said). In addition, I hope Clinton's hooha falls off.
 
No big deal. I've been monitering their stuff for years. Carnivore was developed about 14 months ago. First few tests had more bugs in it than dead horse. Took about 9 weeks to clean it up. Still some problems but good enough for government work.

RKBA!
 
If J. Edger Hoover were around today (instead of barking in Hell) he would be proud of his toady boys snooping operations. I guess this nation will always have those types...unfortunately for us honest tax paying citizens.
 
Story

Lawmakers: Stop Snooping on E-mail
Feds Urged to Suspend Use of Internet Wiretapping System
July 18, 2000

By Amy Worden

WASHINGTON (APBnews.com) -- The pressure is mounting on the Justice Department to suspend a controversial new FBI wiretap system that allows agents access to vast amounts of e-mail traffic.

The so-called Carnivore system, which has come under fire from lawmakers as well as civil liberties groups since revelations about its existence surfaced last week, gives the FBI widespread access to monitor Internet service providers.

Members of Congress, led by House Majority leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, are drafting a letter they expect to send to Attorney General Janet Reno later this week urging her to put the wiretap system on hold until privacy concerns are resolved.

"The Carnivore system should not be used until concerns are addressed," Armey spokesman Richard Diamond told APBnews.com today. "There has been such a dramatic shift in what the FBI can monitor; there needs to be a public discussion. That's why the outrage. This was going on for a year and nobody knew."

Reno ordered review

Responding to concerns raised last week, Reno ordered a review of Carnivore but has no plans to order the program suspended, officials said today.

"The attorney general is looking into it to make sure she understands it and that it is applied fairly," said spokeswoman Chris Watney.

Last week Armey asked Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh to "stop using this cybersnooping system until Fourth Amendment concerns are adequately addressed."

'The keys to the kingdom'

Rep. Bob Barr -- who described the Carnivore system surveillance abilities as "frightening" -- may demand similar restraints at a congressional oversight hearing on the program next Monday, a spokesman said.

"He is concerned about the lack of controls," said Brad Alexander, a spokesman for the Georgia Republican.

Civil libertarians, also outraged at the extent of the FBI's ability to monitor the e-mails of innocent people, also want Carnivore suspended.

"They want the keys to the kingdom," said American Civil Liberties Union Associate Director Barry Steinhardt, who is scheduled to testify at the subcommittee hearing Monday. "They want the entire stream of communications, and they expect us to trust them. Well, I don't. They have a history of abuse and stretching beyond the limits of what they are entitled to."

A critical tool, FBI says

FBI officials said they want the opportunity to demonstrate how critical the system is to its crime-fighting efforts.

"People need to know how critical this is," said bureau spokesman Paul Bresson, who said the agency wants to show the public how Carnivore works on Monday. "It gives us the ability to intercept conversations of criminals who are using the cyberworld the same way the rest of us are."

The FBI, in a statement describing Carnivore, said the system gives agents the "surgical" ability to intercept and collect information under legal orders.

Federal wiretaps have led to the convictions of 25,600 felons in the last 13 years, according to the FBI.

New wiretap rules sought

The renewed outcry comes a day after White House Chief of Staff John Podesta announced proposals that would require a more stringent approval process for FBI wiretaps, while at the same time expanding the agency's ability to conduct electronic surveillance.

The ACLU said the White House did not go far enough in its response to increasing government surveillance powers.

Steinhardt called the proposal a "camouflage for Carnivore," he said, when the administration should have "disavowed or suspended" the program. He also said the proposals stand little chance of being enacted before the Clinton administration leaves office.

The ACLU on Friday filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the source code, or computer program instructions, and other technical details about the Internet wiretapping program. The FBI said it will comply with FOIA rules and release whatever information it is able to disclose by early August.
 
My new email .sig:

"So me and the other members of my MILITIA CELL took our UNREGISTERED FULL-AUTO AK-47S and UZIS to the range the other day to blow away some JACKBOOTED THUG TARGETS. Problem is that we didn't have enough AMMO or money to buy some, so we SOLD SOME OF THE CRACK that we keep around for financial emergencies. Hey, do you know where we can get a few 50-lb PROPANE BOMBS, um, I mean, TANKS?"

There's more, but I can't post it here. ;)

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"I dislike violence, but I'm awfully good at it." --Saunders, "Soap"
 
remember back when we were talking about the keyword list for eschelon?

Someone commented that the system would reject obvious keyword spam as cheap bait.

What if you ran a warez on your email and converted each letter to a keyword?

dZ
 
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