The Dems and the "McDonalds Effect"

Jack 99

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I posted this under another thread but thought it was enough of a tangent that it deserved its own.

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Funny thing about people. They lie. I call it the "McDonalds effect." I used to work with a bunch of avowed health nuts who swore up and down they NEVER went through a fast food drive through. Funny thing though, whenever I was in the drive through I recognized their cars in front of me. Also, as part of my job I sometimes conduct Media Habits surveys. When asked what radio station they listen to, lots of people will answer "NPR". I've even seen as much as 40-50% of respondents saying that they listen to NPR. Funny thing though, you check NPRs Arbitron ratings and they're almost dead last.

Here's an interesting exercise: go find someone who voted for Clintoon in the last election. Hardly ANYONE will admit to it outside of the Dem faithful, most of whom are in L.A. right now. Something happens in that voting booth though and people, and I think especially older people, pull that lever based on who will give them the most goodies. Right now the Dems are dangling a lot of goodies and the seasoned citizens of this country know that the prescription drug coverage and expanded medicare is much more likely to become a reality with Dems in office.

The country knew it was electing a sexual predator/shyster in Bill Clinton. We're not stupid, as a whole, we just didn't (collectively) care. People forget that Clinton's plan to nationalize health care was, at one time, wildly popular. That promise probably got Billary elected in '92. Then there was a sort of collective awakening and we realized Billary could 'f' up organizing a Girl Scout cookie sale. Quite frankly, a stronger Dem leader who had more of the public's confidence could probably have pulled it off.

Watch this election closely, kids, the "McDonalds effect" could kick in and without anyone really willing to admit voting Dem, they could still take the White House and the House of Reps.

[This message has been edited by Jack 99 (edited August 16, 2000).]
 
Jack 99,
I guess you would call me a "seasoned citizen" as I'll be 68 next month, however I'm also still working full time and I have NEVER voted for Klinton and come November I will vote for Bush.

So please be careful with that "broad brush" that you are using. ;)

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It's a "broad brush" to be sure, but I'm stickin' to my premise. Seniors will vote Dem overwhelmingly this election. Probably 3 to 1 or more.

I live near a lot of seniors. I talk to them probably more than most people my age (32) ever will. They believe Clinton "saved" SS single-handedly and that if the Repubs were in charge they would pitch them out in the street. It doesn't matter how rational the fears are, the elderly will go with whoever panders to them. They've also been around long enough to know that Dems are much more likely to give them the programs they want.

This election is far from being a sure thing.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jack 99:
It doesn't matter how rational the fears are, the elderly will go with whoever panders to them. They've also been around long enough to know that Dems are much more likely to give them the programs they want.
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Well, this is hardly unique to the elderly. As FDR demonstrated so successfully, many groups will sell their votes for welfare money. His party has merely refined the process in the intervening years, to the point that most Democratic Party programs today are nothing more than bribes for certain blocs of voters.
 
David, how right you are. Gore is holding the
"Social Security Plus" carrot in front of the people. It's a great deal: you put in a buck and, depending upon your income, the government matches it 1:1 or even 3:1. Of course, somebody else has to pay for the government's share. Somebody like us. Over the past eight years, Clinton's been a master at creating small programs to give money to targeted constituencies. It all boils down to money, and the Dem's are eager to give it away.

I'm really nervous about this election.

Dick
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I too am a senior citizen. I believe in less government, more personal responsibility. Too many elders just want to feed at the public trough though. Scary.

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I'm from Australia. When I first heard "social security" I figured it was the same meaning as "social security" in oz and europe.

A pure handout scheme. Social security is what pays welfare, old people, etc.

However, seems here you've still got social security as a (at least partial) savings account, except they're pushing it to the desired model (handout scheme). I mean, face it, if it were just your money in your money out you could just stick money in a bank.

Another thing you'll find is that handouts DO buy votes. In a country like Australia that's had up to (even shuffling the numbers) 12% unemployment, it is in a socialist's best interests to:

A: Support policies that favor the unemployed, so they will vote for you.

B: Support socialist policies that make MORE people unemployed, so you can get move people for (A).


Americans are getting close to seeing what's seen in OZ/rest of the world - elections where the main candidates bargain over who will redistribute the most wealth.


Battler.
 
Battler,

Our politicians would like us to believe that there's a Social Security fund somewhere, and most Americans probably believe it. Unfortunately, that money was spent long ago after being dumped into the General fund (I believe under Nixon to keep from running a deficit. We also dumped the highway funds and airport funds into the general fund at the same time (that tax you pay on each airline ticket was supposed to be dedicated to building more airports)). Social Security comes out of our checks and goes directly into the checks elders are recieving, making it a true pyramid scheme. I'd be locked up for doing the same.

Monkeyleg and Dave,

You're right, there's no limit to the groups at the public trough. I pick on the Seasoned citizens because A) they should know better and B) they vote about 3x as often as the rest of us. Our own fault, really. FWIW, the Repubs aren't above this pandering either. I'm nervous too.
 
speaking of McDonalds, I heard that the first stop after his speech on mon night was McDonalds. It seems he is coming to his senses and that he knows he is out of there. I also heard that chelsea didn't eat there b/c she is a vegetarian and has been since twelve. I wonder if he p*ssed off the PETA people!

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--Ayn Rand, in "The Nature of Government"

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Jack, I aint no seasoned citizen, but I hope they all don't vote liberal, hopefully there is some truth to all the fears of the "right wing christians" out there, and they ain't gen Xers or the Pepsi generation that are religious. I never voted demo, and far as I can tell never will (national). Even if we lose we can still hope emerson will win in the end. If not we all know what to expect.

If this thing goes all the wrong way then I predict a mass exodus to libertarian?
 
I am nervous also. My 70+ year old dad was a true republican all his life up until the time Clinton ran and started promising all things to all people.

Now he attributes his financial well-being to Clinton policies and no amount of argument or logic will change his mind. Sadly, I'll bet he votes for Gore because he thinks the Dems are more likely to shove more money into his pocket.

It is hard when someone you love cannot see beyond the bank balance.


God help America if Gore (and more importantly Dems taking control of the House) wins. On a side note, I'm from Missouri and I can't stand the thought of Gephardt taking the Speaker position. If ever there was a rabid left-winger, he's the man.

Sg

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jack 99:

The country knew it was electing a sexual predator/shyster in Bill Clinton. We're not stupid, as a whole, we just didn't (collectively) care. People forget that Clinton's plan to nationalize health care was, at one time, wildly popular. That promise probably got Billary elected in '92. Then there was a sort of collective awakening and we realized Billary could 'f' up organizing a Girl Scout cookie sale. Quite frankly, a stronger Dem leader who had more of the public's confidence could probably have pulled it off.

Watch this election closely, kids, the "McDonalds effect" could kick in and without anyone really willing to admit voting Dem, they could still take the White House and the House of Reps.
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Jack,

Thanks for reminding the Bush voters here that the issues here go well beyond Gun Control.

Many eldsters will, coming from what some call the "Security Generation", are quite old and sick and they WILL vote for the party that promises them free healthcare.

Many WW II veterans, belonging to this generation, feel they were cheated out of their promise of FREE lifetime healthcare, and rightfully so, I might add.

Urgent News Alert: They are going to vote for Gore, not Bush.

Many of you think DUHbya is a shoo-in, but:

"It aint over until the fat lady sings"

...and millions of seniors, most voters, will sing very loud indeed, and it wont be for George Bush.

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You all make good points and that is why it is so important to not get complacent ( remember 1996??? A LOT of people thought Klink would be toast then, but WE got burned!)-- and to keep working steadily towards the GOAL-- ending Klintoonism, once and for all.
The defeat of AlBorg2000 is one thing; just remember that if Hillarreah! becomes the NY Senator, we'll see this same scurvy crew again in 2004!
Grassroots action is SO important-- get involved, put signs in your yard ( I'm working on a "countdown to free America "clock" to put in front of my house, which is on a very busy truck route )-- bumper stickers, call local talk radio, volunteer! Do *something* to purge the stain from the White House and the rest of America!
 
Jack 99, I believe it was Kennedy who took the SS funds and threw them into the general fund. Was the only way he could pay for the space race. And even today it is only borrowed.... Yes there are notes from the gov back to the SS Fund.... but.... The interest rate is at the U.S. Bond rate.

It is interesting to talk with seniors. My dad for example.... Hard core republican, WWII vet, life long avid hunter shooter, now on SS. I've even heard mutterings from him in our discussions about no one needs an assault rifle. I did set him straight on that point, by reminding him what an assault rifle was. After which he was mad for being lied to by the press..... but I only talk with him once in a while, whereas; the press gets to feed him crap 24 hours a day.

Yes we will loose the majority of those votes. The propaganda machine (TV) is a large part of these people's lives.
 
I am also amazed by our 'seasoned' citizens. These are the folks that endured the Depression and won WWII!! How can "The Greatest Generation" now be so committed to (let's face it squarely) socialism? Have they had all the starch washed out of them? How have they been seduced? I wish I knew.
 
Darn it, ALL of us Seniors have not gone over to the Dark Side.
My mom and Step Dad, both in their late 80's will vote for Bush.
My Wife and I will vote for Bush.
My Son and his Wife (mid 20's) will vote for Bush.
PLEASE don't write us ALL off as idiots!

Take care. :)

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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
This is a real problem. Those who get governmental favors (cash, handouts, food stamps, healthcare) have a vested interest in getting MORE from the government. It's not just those on Social Security. Large cities are usually Democrat because of the high density of welfare recipients.

Pennsylvania is a perfect example. Most of the state is staunchly Republican, and then there's Philadelphia which is equally Democrat. It really screws with the elections because Philadelphia can carry a candidate by itself. Harrisburg may be the capital, but Philadelphia rules.
 
Hutch,

The "seduction" was pretty easy, really. You let the Pinkos get ONE little entitlement going and wait 40 or 50 years and, through a process more complex than we have space here to explain, it becomes so ingrained it can't be eradicated. I will be almost impossible to privatize SS at this point. That's why we've got to nip all new entitlements in the bud now.

And, let's face it, seniors got screwed. The answer to the problem is not to screw future generations to keep the whole ball of wax together though. But now they've got a vested interest in keeping this dysfunctional fraud going. It's a catch-22.

johnr,

It could have been Kennedy that screwed us. I think it was Nixon that released dedicated Highway and Airport Trust Fund $$$$ to keep a balanced budget though. All that tax money you spend at the pump and when you fly is supposed to be DEDICATED to building roads and airports. They were essentially supposed to be user fees, which is a great idea but the funds were basically raided.

DorGunR,

Sorry to make this a senior bashing thread. In truth, we 'youngins' owe more than we can ever repay. Its just frustrating to look at my pay stub at 32 and realize a good size chunk is just gone forever. I'd do more good with the tax money if I just funneled it directly to a local charity and if I used my SS for lotto tickets I'd have a better chance at getting a return. Quite frankly, I feel like a big Sucker for continuing to buy into this crap (see my recent threads on "dropping out").
 
I don't view this as an elderly-bashing thread. SS is next to RKBA as one of my hot-button issues. Financial experts tell you to save 1/6 of your income, but that's damned hard to do when the government's taking 12.5% and giving you a 1.2% rate of return.

My father, 83, is the most brilliant man I've ever known. Yet he insists that, not only did he pay for the Social Security benefits he's been receiving for the last 17 years, but that his rate of return is over 500% on his SS account. He bases that, of course, on how much money he put in versus how much he's received. After sending him endless articles and links to the Social Security Administrations own data, he now agrees with me. But he won't change his voting patterns :(

Dick
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