The day after the day at the range

rt11002003

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Guess what; it was a gun cleaning day? Nothing new to that, but I picked up on a couple of things. I was cleaning a recently acquired sight unseen used HK p7. It was the second used HK I've bought in the last year. In both cases, the actions were clean, the barrels were dirty. People must be lazy, or ???????? Fortunately, the barrels cleaned up with a little effort. Also noted the barrel was mated to the receiver like the SIG p232. Both guns were very easy to take down and reassemble. Simple, simple.

Then I got to the Browning BDA and the Beretta 84FS. I'd forgotten how they were assembled. Not only is there a takedown down lever that is complicated (compared to HK and SIG); the barrels look like they're mated to the receiver. But, they're not. The barrels are a very close fit to the receiver and a very, very close fit to the takedown lever. Needless to say, one gun was a little difficult to reassemble. The other was a nightmare. My understanding is both guns are/were produced in the same facility, but it looks to me that the Beretta was not machined as precisely. It took a light tap on the barrel to seat it enough for the takedown lever to rotate. b/t/w the operators' manuals don't tell one that.

My point: Life should be simple, if possible. Years of experience with motorcycles and cars, pointed out (to me) the German vehicles were simple compared to the Italian vehicles, making maintenance easier. But, even though complicated, the Italians make some beautiful high performance vehicles. Looks like their guns follow the same pattern.
 
Cheetah takedown was always a pain. That lever was always stuck. As to cleaning, I think most people are too lazy to spend 15 minutes cleaning. I personally hate it but it's too important to skip.
 
the operators' manuals don't tell one that.

I've recently had to deal with a couple of new purchases and am quite frustrated with ALL the owners manuals of practically everything I've come across. I've got a digital camera, (Canon to keep this gun related) and if I read all that tiny black print on their gray background paper I'd be blind and not have any use for the camera.

The firearms manuals are so lawyered up with disclaimers ('do not point the gun at your head during use') that it's hard to get to the meat of the matter but anything in anyway electrical has the same problem.

Modern day salvation (for me anyway) is that you can most of the time find the manual on line then you can strip out the excess 'stuff' and enlarge the type to something reasonable.

Forums like this provide me with a lot of practical information. Information that I have no idea where else I would find.

Good luck.

P.S. Just to repeatedly beat a dead horse that's been beat to death MANY times in other posts...most people clean their firearms too much. (Flame suit on making hasty retreat.)
 
Jimbear - yes, good catch. I should have mentioned it. I'm amazed at all the neat stuff out there showing me things I've only read about. And I'm not being sarcastic, there really are a lot of neat, informative videos out there. Want to see someone ream out tight cylinders on a Ruger Blackhawk? Watch it being done before you try it yourself. Thanks for bringing it up.
 
DaleA, no need for a flame suit. The Beretta and the Browning will be sitting for a while, likely a couple of months, at least. The SOLO is in carry service, I like a clean gun that might wind up in a suit jacket/coat pocket.

The p7 was getting its first cleaning from me. Unless I carry it, it might not get more than a rub down for several months and will be used regularly.

I plead guilty on the p232. It didn't deserve a cleaning.:)
 
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