The Commonplace Second Amendment

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As with most legal dissertations, it goes into long and excruciating detail with footnotes up a gumstump.

I thought this was a neat "head 'em off at the pass statement ( the 'we don't need a militia' b/s): "2. They rebut the claim that a right expires when courts conclude that the justification given for the right is no longer valid or is no longer served by the right."

Here's just the first section -- you can read the whole thing at:
http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh/common.htm

The Commonplace Second Amendment
Prof. Eugene Volokh, UCLA Law School *
(73 NYU L. Rev. 793 (1998))

The Second Amendment is widely seen as quite unusual, because it has a justification clause as well as an operative clause.

Professor Volokh points out that this structure was actually quite commonplace in American constitutions of the Framing era: State Bills of Rights contained justification clauses for many of the rights they secured. Looking at these state provisions, he suggests, can shed light on how the similarly structured Second Amendment should be interpreted.

In particular, the provisions show that constitutional rights will often -- and for good reason -- be written in ways that are to some extent overinclusive and to some extent underinclusive with respect to their stated justifications.

Introduction
"The Second Amendment, unusually for constitutional provisions, contains a statement of purpose as well as a guarantee of a right to bear arms." 1 This unusual attribute, some argue, is reason for courts to interpret the Second Amendment quite differently than they interpret other constitutional provisions -- perhaps to the point of reading it as having virtually no effect on government action. 2

My modest discovery 3 is that the Second Amendment is actually not unusual at all: Many contemporaneous state constitutional provisions are structured similarly.

Rhode Island's 1842 constitution, its first, provides
The liberty of the press being essential to the security of freedom in a state, any person may publish his sentiments on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty . . . . 4

Compare this to the Second Amendment's
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. 5

The 1784 New Hampshire Constitution says
In criminal prosecutions, the trial of facts in the vicinity where they happen, is so essential to the security of the life, liberty and estate of the citizen, that no crime or offence ought to be tried in any other county than that in which it is committed . . . . 6

The 1780 Massachusetts Constitution -- followed closely by the 1784 New Hampshire Constitution and the 1786 Vermont Constitution -- says
The freedom of deliberation, speech, and debate, in either house of the legislature, is so essential to the rights of the people, that it cannot be the foundation of any accusation or prosecution, action or complaint, in any other court or place whatsoever. 7

I list dozens more such provisions in the Appendix.

These provisions, I believe, shed some light on the interpretation of the Second Amendment:
1. They show that the Second Amendment should be seen as fairly commonplace, rather than strikingly odd.
2. They rebut the claim that a right expires when courts conclude that the justification given for the right is no longer valid or is no longer served by the right.
3. They show that operative clauses are often both broader and narrower than their justification clauses, thus casting doubt on the argument that the right exists only when (in the courts' judgment) it furthers the goals identified in the justification clause. 8
4. They point to how the two clauses might be read together, without disregarding either.

The provisions also suggest two things about interpretation more generally. First, they remind us that the U.S. Constitution is just one of the at least fifty-one American constitutions in force today, and one of the dozens of constitutions that existed during the Framing era. 9

The legal academy's understandable focus on federal matters can blind us to some important details.

Second, these provisions help show the value of testing interpretive proposals against a politically mixed range of texts. On a topic as incendiary as gun control, it's obviously tempting for people to reach an interpretation based largely on their policy desires.
If we want to be honest interpreters, a broad set of test cases for our interpretive method is a good tool for checking our political biases.


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good stuff,

it would be an intresting thing to have a list of the fifty states versions of the second amendmant. while i cannot quote it,PA's only mentions self defence TTBOMK.
i think some other states are even more straight forward.

do you think some RKBA orgs might already have this posted?

rms/pa
 
Missouri Constitution
Article I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 23

May 28, 1999


Right to keep and bear arms--exception.
Section 23. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, § 17.

I find it interesting that it includes property.
 
Also don't forget that the rights in the B.O.R. are only meant to set forth which of the already-existing rights (that predated the Constitution in the colonies' common law) were to be specifically extended to the citizens of the new U.S.A., so therefore the true extent/meaning of the right is not fully codified; it extends beyond the literal text; the text is only meant to show that the entire pre-existing right is specifically extended. Thus, just because the justification clause mentioning the militia is there does not mean this is the ONLY justification for, or extent of, the right.
 
"People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." George Orwell

"You get more respect with a kind word and a gun than you do with just a kind word." I think this quote or a similar one is attributed to Al Capone
 
The most recent Georgia constitution (ratified General Election, November 2, 1982) has this to say (online at http://www.sos.state.ga.us/93%2D94register/93%2D94%20chapter%2001/93%2D94%20chapter%2001%20article%20i.html ):

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>ARTICLE I. (BILL OF RIGHTS)

SECTION I. (RIGHTS OF PERSONS)

Paragraph VIII. (Arms, right to keep and bear)


The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne.[/quote]
 
Mississippi's constitution ( http://www.sos.state.ms.us/policy_admin/Constitution/constitution.html ) says this:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>ARTICLE 3

BILL OF RIGHTS

Section 12.


The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons.[/quote]
 
Section II-26: Bearing arms - Carrying weapons.
Oklahoma:

The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his
home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when
thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but
nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from
regulating the carrying of weapons
 
Colorado state constitution, Article II, Sec. 13:

The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.
 
Originally posted by GnL:
You can get them all here:

http://www.saf.org/Constitutions.html

thanks GnL,
it makes interesting reading, i note many of the state constitutions mention concealed carry,
what is truely weird is the discrepancy between rhode islands constitution and current rhode island law. looks like rhode island SHOULD be vermont style(but it ain't)

rms/pa
 
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