'The Center for American Progress'

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Anybody wonder where the extremists get their numbers? I thought this was interesting. I found the link at another forum.



They include self defense, suicide, and justifiable police shootings. It's the only way to make it look as if firearms are an issue.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/


"The Center for American Progress “only look at the harm of guns and refuse to take into account any deterrent or self-defense effect of firearms,” Kopel said in an interview.

Chelsea Parsons, associate director of crime and firearms policy at the Center and a co-author of this report, responded by saying the report measures all gun violence and not just homicides. “The numbers speak for themselves,” she said. She added that the fact that the states with fewer gun restrictions tend to have more gun deaths and injuries “is likely more than a coincidence.”
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I don't have much else to say about it, but their quote says it all.
 
I wonder what the people at that "center" get paid? Seems to me that whatever it is, its easy money that comes from work with no basis in reality.

Its the current buzzword, but treating "gun violence" as if it were a single corporeal entity is laughable.

My experience also says that when someone says "the numbers speak for themselves" it is because the people with the numbers don't have anything valid to say.

It would appear that, in their opinion, if someone attacks you, and you shoot back (something that goes in the database, unlike defensive gun use where no shots are fired, which often doesn't even get reported, and even if it is, isn't tracked) then you are just as much a part of the "gun violence problem" as mass murderer, or someone who commits suicide. Even the police are part of the problem....

Not only are these people not living in the real world, they aren't even pretending to...

Well, if you have enough money, you can do that...for a while...

What irritates me is their constant efforts to force me, and the rest of us to live in their world, and expecting me to not only pay for it, but to be happy to do so!:mad:
 
Yeah, that Center is pretty bad, at least they seem to be admitting it this time. I think it was around the original Newton shooting that they released a report, which one someone sent me a link to, because in his words it was "time to have real talk about gun violence." They're a dangerous organization that is very good at creating airs of legitimacy. The report I read had gobs of links to presumably unbiased studies. The problem being is if one actually read the studies they linked to the Center what they were saying the studies said to support their arguments were not what the studies said, or in some cases it was a link to something that mentioned the study they were citing requiring one to find the actual study and still everything was twisted. Sadly the person who sent me the link is a prime example of how dangerous the combination of emotional appeals and feigned legitimacy are, it was clear that he hadn't fact checked the document but he was spreading it as if it were gospel.
 
They're all the same . The group of Global Warmers who hired a Russian ship to go to the antarctic to measure the shrinking ice - The ice is melting so fast that the ship is now locked in by the GROWING ice .:p
 
mete said:
They're all the same . The group of Global Warmers who hired a Russian ship to go to the antarctic to measure the shrinking ice - The ice is melting so fast that the ship is now locked in by the GROWING ice .
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Yeah -- and down there it's the middle of SUMMER.

Back to the topic -- A small college in Connecticut (with pretensions, they call themselves a university) has in recent years developed somewhat of a reputation for conducting polls. Not a bad reputation -- Quinnipiac University polls generally seem to be well regarded and respected. And they just released a poll showing that there are fewer homicides in states with less restrictive gun laws.

Lemme see if I can find it ...

http://www.newsmax.com/US/concealed-weapons-murder-rates/2014/01/02/id/544949
 
Quinnipiac University polls generally seem to be well regarded and respected. And they just released a poll showing that there are fewer homicides in states with less restrictive gun laws.
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Wasn't it Quinnipiac that came up with the %90 poll claiming the support of background checks? http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...tail?ReleaseID=1842&What=&strArea=;&strTime=3
The same poll coming under fire for using directed questions behind less than factual information that produced a result that favored the Anti's? Or is there something I am missing about these guys?
 
I heard a year or so ago that this bunch is Obama's pet project to help him to eventually confiscate all privately firearms in the country. Specifically set up and financed by the people who financed his election both times. The people working there are the type that would go drown babies if they were told to. They are that easy to manipulate.
 
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