The Castle Doctrine should be on the national level.

Love&Hate12

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The ability to meet force with force and also the attacker families having to ability to sue when the circumstance was a justified self defense killing.

Shouldn't this be a nationally passed law sometime?
 
I could possibly see it as a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to self-defense (which the Founding Fathers neve added because they never believed we'd be ruled by many people with cranial-rectal inversions). Other than that, I don't see how we'd be able to do it on a Fed level.
 
Although I still look at that part of the law with great respect and caution, I am happy I live in a state that takes as liberal a stance on that matter as it does.

I'm guessing that the states' rights argument is why it can't be done.

I'm in a stalking situation right now, and I honestly would consider moving to a more self-defense-friendly state if we didn't have such a strong castle doctrine here in Florida. And I've been here a LONG time.
 
Antipitas - Yes, I understand that but they can at least make a law to where they can't sue for a self defense killing. They were able to pass the assault weapons ban at the federal level weren't they?

I live in Florida as well invention_45, sorry to hear about your stalker situation.
 
Please show me where, in the Constitution, the federal government has any such authority?
Interstate commerce clause.
Hard to participate in lawful interstate commerce if you're dead.

...

What? It would hardly be the biggest reach for the commerce clause.
 
<It would hardly be the biggest reach for the commerce clause>

No, but you are pushing near the edge of the envelope even for the commerce clause.
 
Actually, I've been waiting for that clause to be used, here.

No, it wouldn't come close to stretching it. Think Gonzales v. Raich.

I guess the point I'd like to make is: Why do people turn to the feds to make laws that are best left at the local (state) level? This is an ongoing problem with the American mindset.

Think of your drivers license. It is a state issued license. It has no validity outside your state... Except that years ago, the various states entered into compacts that recognized each others licenses. It took years. It didn't happen overnight. And the Feds weren't involved in it at all. Yet now, because of cooperation between the states, we can drive anywhere within the US and not have to have 50 different licenses.

Kinda like the CCW reciprocation compacts that are being negotiated between the states now.

Bottom line. We don't need a federal law to protect us, when it can be done at the state level. Quit giving the feds power.
 
Kinda like the CCW reciprocation compacts that are being negotiated between the states now.

Coming to a state near you.

There is no need for Federal legislation of the "castle Doctrine" if every state passes a version. There is also no need to reciprocate because your castle doesn't travel from state to state.;)
 
Another issue regarding leaving this (and many other decisions) to the States.

So long as laws regarding lifestyle, education, policing and taxes (as examples) remain at the State level, States are actually forced to compete against each other for trained workers, educators and the like. States are then forced to listen to the demands of their citizens.

If you're in the camp that feels that competition is good in human and government endeavors (I do), then you'd want to keep FedGov as far from the mix as possible. OTOH, if your desire is to obtain the "uniformity" which only a distant, unresponsive, non-accountable Federal Bureaucracy can give....well, then, you would want FedGov to control all these things. Of course, you'd then have to respect the rights of all manner of other lobbying groups who just want the Feds to control their pet "rights" and behaviors.

Be careful what you ask for....you just might get it. ;)

One should need no Castle Doctrine to defend himself in his home; the Courts should guarantee these rights under the Constitution without any need for State of Federal Legislatures to reiterate a right that has only recently been eroded. The standard for lethal force is justifiable fear for your life; the very fact that someone would illegally enter your dwelling removes any doubt as to their behavior being criminal in nature and justifiably raises your level of fear. If they produce a weapon, advance toward your weapon or represent an issue of "disparate force" (6' Male vs Frail Grandma)....then any of these, under normal circumstances would cause a reasonable person to fear for his life. Where's the need for another law?
Rich
 
Shouldn't this be a nationally passed law sometime?

NO!

The federal government has NO right or power under its enumerated powers to regulate crime and property and self-defense rights - that's for the STATES to decide. Why would we aggrandize the power of the already-unbelievable juggernaut of centralized power that is our federal government? The more power they get, the more power they will seek (and get), and so we MUST stop the mentality of a "national solution" or "federal solution" as a kneejerk reaction to any given problem, or ultimately we're doomed as a constitutional republic.
 
From Robert Maxwell Brown's book, "No Duty to Retreat: Violence and Values in American History and Society," 1994

No Duty to Retreat in Law and the American Mind.

"A Man is not born to run away." Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1921

As far back as the thirteenth century, English Common Law dealt harshly with the act of homicide. The "right to kill in self defense was slowly established, and is a doctrine of modern, rather than medieval law," wrote one authority. On this issue Sir William Blackstone looked not to the future but to the past in his eighteenth century summation of the English common law of homicide. At the core of Blackstone's view was the centuries-long English common law tradition that supported "the idea of homicides as public wrongs." In England the burden was on the one accused of a homicide to prove his innocence. The plea of self defense was eyed most skeptically.

The presumption against the accused killer stemmed from the fear, as Blackstone put it, that "the right to defend may be mistaken as the right to kill." Before the court in the English common law tradition would countenance killing in self defense two essential tests had to be met: that of retreat or avoidance and that of "reasonable determination of necessity."

But from the nineteenth century on, such authorities as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes rejected this doctrine as unsuited to both the American mind and the age of firearms.

...frontier days are long past... the ethic of no retreat continues to shape everything from our entertainment to our foreign policy... to our politics...

Though challenged as never before by the values of peace and social activism, it remains a central theme in American thought and character.
{end snip}

Brown's book(s) are well researched, good bibliography, even interesting reading if you like historical self defense kinda stories, each making a point, some point, towards intelligent rationale of his title claim, that we, as Americans, have NO duty to retreat from deadly acts against us. How can you "Run" from a bullet? Anyway, they're good educational reads.

I thought that we wanted ZERO Infringment from Congress on this issue, not handing them the golden goose to chop it's head off. The RKBA and the right to self defense must always remain with the people of a free state, that is, the militia, both organized and unorganized. And since we can no longer discriminate due to age or gender, or disabilities (hmmmmm) we broaden the scope and number of well regulated militia members.

Let's keep this issue personal and local.
At the home & grassroots level first.
States, second.
Hopefully, all 50. (THE DREAM)
Feds.
Never. They've already more power than they know what to do with. Or need, I sometimes think.
 
Castle Doctrine via Fed's?

NO. State rights issue and a cooperative effort BETWEEN the states is the route. Top 3 reasons why it would not happen at the Fed level...
1. You'd never get it passed in the house.
2. CA would seceed (now, there's a thought):D
3. NY and NJ would just ignore it, anyway.:eek:
...and we don't need the Fed intervention.
 
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Beautiful words, long forgotten.
 
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