Texas Officers Involved in Standoff at Border

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Texas Officers Involved in Standoff at Border

Tuesday, January 24, 2006

SIERRA BLANCA, Texas — Men dressed as Mexican Army soldiers, apparent drug suspects and Texas law enforcement officers faced off near the U.S.-Mexican border after three suspicious SUVs attempted to flee state authorities, officials said Tuesday.

Andrea Simmons, an agency spokeswoman in El Paso, told The Associated Press that Texas Department of Public Safety troopers chased three SUVs, believing they were carrying drugs, to the banks of the Rio Grande during Monday's incident.

Men dressed in Mexican military uniforms or camouflage were on the U.S. side of the border in Texas, she said.

Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred requests for further details to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported Tuesday that the incident included an armed standoff involving the Mexican military and suspected drug smugglers. The incident follows a story in the Bulletin on Jan. 15 that said the Mexican military had crossed into the United States more than 200 times since 1996.

In a news conference, Rick Glancey of the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition, said three Hudspeth County deputies and at least two Texas Department of Public Safety troopers squared off against at least 10 heavily armed men from the Mexican side of the Rio Grande.

U.S. officials who pursued three fleeing SUVs to the Mexican border saw what appeared to be a Mexican military Humvee help one of the SUVs when it got stuck in the river, he said.

When that didn't work, a group of men dressed in civilian clothes started unloading what appeared to be bundles of marijuana from the SUV, and the stuck vehicle was then torched, he said. A second SUV had a flat tire and was left behind in the United States and its occupant ran across the border, he said.

Glancey said he could not confirm whether the armed men seen at the site were Mexican Army, police officers, or drug dealers, and would not detail what markings deputies may have seen on the men's uniforms or the Humvee.

Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department said that Mexican army personnel had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border, the Daily Bulletin newspaper reported earlier.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West, whose officers were involved in a similar incident last year, said he is certain that Mexican authorities know who was involved.

After the newspaper reported on Mexican military crossings earlier this month, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the report was overblown and most of the incursions were just mistakes.

In eastern California, Arizona and New Mexico, the U.S.-Mexico border is largely unmarked. But in Texas, the Rio Grande separates the two countries and even when dry, is a riverbed about 200 feet wide.

In November, Doyal said Border Patrol agents in the border town of Fort Hancock called for help after confronting more than six men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men allegedly were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal told the newspaper.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182650,00.html
 
"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

This is is one VERY important reason we should have our men over in Iraq and Afganistan back in OUR country taking care of things like this. More border patrolmen is not enough. Between drug and illegal alien smuggling, there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER our police and/or military should back down from or be afraid of a pitiful third world country like Mexico.
 
The incident follows a story in the Bulletin on Jan. 15 that said the Mexican military had crossed into the United States more than 200 times since 1996.
I really wish the U.S. would just nuke the hell out of mexico.:mad:
 
Te Anau +1

Joking aside, I think this is a very serious situation that warrants military attention. If the government cannot provide the basic necessity of protection citizens from foreign military personnel on our own soil what good is it?
 
Te Anau +1

Joking aside, I think this is a very serious situation that warrants military attention. If the government cannot provide the basic necessity of protection citizens from foreign military personnel on our own soil what good is it?

It's going around the world "spreading freedom and democracy" as Jorge Woodrow Wilson Bush likes to say. Seems like everytime he gets in front of a camera (I think it's as much as Clinton ever did) every other word out of his mouth is "freedom" and "democracy" :rolleyes:
 
I understand what you guys are saying, but…

…More border patrolmen is not enough…
In actuality, so far every single instance of MX military crossing the border (making the assumption that it always is actually MX military), local law enforcement really is enough. Those guys are nothing but a bunch of punks with guns. Not one of ‘em has enough “juevos” to take over a stinkin’ boy scout troop. Every single situation like this has resulted in the MX military either running away (like this time) or surrendering to inferior numbers/guns. I’ve seen the military on the border scouting for crossing points and testing the strength of the BP. They cow to even one man that won’t back down.

Between drug and illegal alien smuggling, there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER our police and/or military should back down from or be afraid of a pitiful third world country like Mexico.
I wouldn’t say its so much being afraid of the MX military as it is being afraid of some sort of reprisal from their own agency. I will add that to my way of thinking this is what happens when the bulk of your workforce is made up of people that aren’t truly committed to the mission. They do their job quite well, but in the end, it’s just a paycheck not a mission. As I’ve said many times before, for some jobs, “making it home at the end of your shift” is not and should never be the number one priority.
 
286 incursions

Wow, it's nice to be around like minds. They were probably drug runners in fake uniforms, or some of the Mex military on the take. They have GPS, so they know where they are. I say call in a couple of C-130's and armed drones and make a stand.That wouldn't be racist, just legal. Mr.Fox has failed miserably to control this, but he is getting a dose of his own medicine. He's having to deport his southern neighbors all the time but whines about us deporting his throw aways. Every time we pick em up, we ought to drop ship em on to his ranch down there. We have already let one in that had a dirty bomb plan in. And about those new soviet subs off the east coast with new missles that travel 80 mph under water and then fly to the target, we need our troops home now! Don't hire a company that uses illegals!
 
Don't guarantee profits and price control to those smugglers by insisting on the prohibition of a plant, and the problem will go away.
 
No it won’t. Alien smuggling is virtually as lucrative as dope smuggling; it’s just a little bit harder to conceal the contraband. Not to mention all the other items that get smuggled. I can promise you that the MX military hasn’t crossed our border for the sole purpose of just helping the dope make it across.
 
Just sounds like drug runners are putting on uniforms to make it less likely to get shot at, by creating some doubt in the minds of US LEOs as to their status.
 
No it won’t. Alien smuggling is virtually as lucrative as dope smuggling; it’s just a little bit harder to conceal the contraband.

I was talking about the dope, not the illegal immigrant smugglers.

You know what? As long as the world's richest nation is located right next to one of the world's poorest nations, there will be people trying to make it across, no matter how much barbed wire you put up in between. Hell, the East Germans and Russians couldn't keep their own people from crossing the border into West Germany, even though they had everything the "shoot the wetbacks" crowd would like to see in effect: mine fields, search lights, tripwire-actuated shooting devices and guards with shoot-to-kill orders.

That said, if an armed group of foreign individuals threatens U.S. citizens or law enforcement on United States territory, they should get ballistic enemas, regardless of their clothing or their affiliation.
 
Marko, that is unfair hyperbole, to lump all those who would like to see more secure border measures into 'the "shoot the wetbacks" crowd.' There is no such necessary connection between the two ideas at all. I don't think they should be shot, but we do need more border security. You're more discerning than to use such disingenuousness, no? But the example of East Germany / West Germany shows only that you can't contain everyone. But you're missing the point that an extraordinarily huge DECREASE in the number that would otherwise have escaped was accomplished by barbed wire, walls, and patrols. It's undeniable, is it not, that hundreds of thousands MORE would have left E. Germany if it had been the 'honor system' like we pretty much have with Mexico? That's the same thing we should seek to accomplish - REDUCING (vastly) the total number of illegals coming in. Your argument seems to be that if we can't have complete victory, why even try at all? False dichotomy.

You're dead right in post #11 however.
 
Marko,
I was talking about the dope, not the illegal immigrant smugglers.
Far be it from me to put words in your mouth, but you said that legalizing dope would make, “the problem…go away”. Since the whole point of this thread is to discuss the “problem” of the MX military crossing our border, it seems pretty reasonable to infer that you were actually attempting to say that if the U.S. legalized marijuana the MX military would stop crossing our border. Which, I will reiterate, is a load of crap.

FristFreedom,

Just sounds like drug runners are putting on uniforms to make it less likely to get shot at, by creating some doubt in the minds of US LEOs as to their status.
Who could say for certain that every single one of the hundreds of occurrences are actually MX military? After all, the vast majority of the time they run away and we never get to verify their identity. That being said, I can assure you that more often than not, these “armed individuals” have better weaponry than simple thugs, drug runners, river rats, etc, etc. Moreover, in Mexico it’s a pretty severe offence to dress up like the military, or to be armed like these guys are. Not that breaking the law ever stopped anybody in Mexico from doing something, but still. And lastly, there have been occasions where the “armed individuals” did actually surrender to U.S. law enforcement after gun play, and low and behold if they didn’t turn out to actually be Mexican military. So you tell me…
 
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