TERRORISTIC THREATS, OR WORSE?

scooter71

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A young, lady friend of mine, needs your advice.........

I have a friend at work, who is a mother of two, with one on the way.

This is a very nice young lady, and as far as I can tell, a very good mother.

She just gets mixed up with the wrong guys!

I respect her enough that if I wasn't married already, I'd be chasing after her myself.

The latest event in her life, is that she became involved with a married guy, who had told her that his marriage was in turmoil, and he wasn't happy.

They had a pregnancy scare once a while back, and after finding out the scare was false, even told her: "maybe we ought to try again"

(supposedly his wife can't have children)

This female friend of mine, fell head over heels, with him. I saw it coming, and I observed how great they seemed together, and I even believed that he was going to leave his wife for her.

She became pregnant, and he was ultra-supportive, even attending doctor's visit's, and ultrasounds with her, while swearing that he was going to tell his wife any day now, and that he wanted to have a family with her.

At 5 months into the pregnancy, for whatever personal reason, she became tired of waiting for him to leave his wife, and called his wife herself.

They had a fairly calm conversation, but things got bad real quick after she did that.

He immediately broke it off (understandably), told her that everything he'd ever told her, was a lie, just so he could keep "getting a piece" on the side.....

He now calls her repeatedly at work, and tells her how sorry a mother she is etc....

He has repeatedly made appointments for her to get an abortion (at 5 1/2 months), and she keeps refusing.

He writes e-mail's telling her to kill the baby, and herself!!

(I've read these)

He calls every night at work, and harrases her on the phone, saying: why don't you just kill yourself etc.....your life is worthless, you're a sorry mother etc..

I'll never have anything to do with the bastard child, it will be illegitimate without a father etc.........

She is at her most vulnerable right now, physically and emotionally, and it is killing me to see him do this to her when she needs support the most.

She is hurting so bad......

She is also scared, because one of the last times he called her at work he said the following:

Why don't you just kill yourself so I don't have to, (pause here) have this burden that is.

The little pause, makes it sound like a threat that he is going to kill her, but finishing the sentence says otherwise.

I heard it myself, and I know exactly what he was trying to say.

She is a dispatcher at a police dept, and all calls are recorded, that is how I know this information is factual, because I've heard the recordings.

What action would all of you take, and when?

At what point does this become a chargeable offense??

How much of this does she have to put up with?

I'm scared and concerned for her.
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At the very least, she should immediately retain an attorney and get a restraining order against the cretin. If he has threatened her and you have it on tape, that should be more than enough to justify one. I'm also sure the attorney could tell her when the jerk crosses the line where charges could be filed. An attorney would also make sure any legal niceties like child support are arranged for. No sense letting the bastard off scott free.

In the old days, a few family members of your friend would go have a heart-to-heart with the cretin. You know, make sure he has trouble kissing anyone for awhile. I guess that's just too uncivilized for our modern age ;) Wouldn't bother me any.


[This message has been edited by pbash (edited May 11, 2000).]
 
Okay.

How big a department does she work for?

She needs to take the tapes to the Detective or Investigation Division, pronto. Any and all e-mails should be forwarded to a/the detective.

Then she, a detective, the County Attorney and a judge need to get together and get y'alls version of an Emergency Protective Order.

Your critter has been watching way too many late night crime shows. Or he's been getting his legal advice from Joe's Bar and Grill.

In most states, Terroristic Threat ain't in what he says. It's in how she feels.

I don't think yhour critter has the brains that God gave a Christmas goose. Threatening a Police Dispatcher is pretty damn dumb.

Let us know how it comes out, okay?

LawDog
 
I'm with Lawdog on this, It's nice when they make it so easy. All the elements are already in place, and police tend to be very protective of their dispatchers. The notes and recorded conversations to a police line (Life is really hard when you're THAT stupid) would really make the judges day. About two hours for statements and paperwork, 20 minutes with the judge for the warrant, about an hour to go arrest him, and he'll be in jail for lunch. (It's bologna sandwiches and milk today) It gets really fun when you check the penal code, I think you could peg him for stalking (felony) not just terroristic threat. (Misdemeanor) Has she mentioned this to anyone in her department? I can see the case synopsis now: "Arrogant stupid A**hole threatens the life of pregnant mother of two as well as her unborn child". No lawyer alive would want THAT to go before a jury. Add to this that the results of the criminal conviction would be used in the custody/child support hearings, and you wouldn't be able to see this guy for all the flying fecal matter.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>This is a very nice young lady, and as far as I can tell, a very good mother.

She just gets mixed up with the wrong guys![/quote]

Has she heard the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"?

I hope that once this woman gets rid of the current idiot scumbag in her life, she gets some help before the next one comes along.
 
What a disgusting piece of human trash. This man deserves a very good beating, but you know ... I tend to think guys like this get it eventually. They just create so many opportunities, someone is going to take him up on it someday. Today would be a good day ...

In the meantime, there is lots of good advice above. Including your friend getting some counseling so she quits making poor choices.

Let us know how it comes out.

Regards from AZ
 
Besides going to the police, if she goes to the Child Welfare people in her state, she will get the guy financially on the hook for at least 50% of the child's expenses for the next 18 years. (It happened to a friend of mine.)
 
Libertarian, in Texas the father is 100% responsible for support of the child; the amount is decided by the court.

:), Art
 
Poor miserable bastard. It serves him right for acting like that. I suspect that after Alimony and child support, he'll be eating beans and day old bread for a long time.

[This message has been edited by Libertarian (edited May 11, 2000).]
 
This is to give all of you an update on her situation:

She contacted the local Sheriff's Office Internal Affairs through a friend, sat down with the I.A. guy and told her story complete with evidence.

He said she has enough to swear out a warrant right now!

She (softhearted) knows he is pursuing a career in L.E. himself, and doesn't want to ruin the rest of any career in L.E. so she says no to the warrant option..??????

So the I.A. guy calls the dept. that the loser works at, and asks to speak to the head of their I.A. dept., and tells the story about how their new "employee" (he is still in the academy) is terrorizing a young woman in his off time........

They immediately call him in from training, and have a long talk with him.

She hasn't heard anything from him in about a month I believe.....

We don't know if her was scared to his senses, fired or what?

For the time being, it worked though.
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[This message has been edited by scooter71 (edited May 29, 2000).]
 
In some states you don't need an attorney to get a restraining order. The district attorney or some clerk at the court will do whatever is necessary.

This guy needs a good horse-whipping.
 
You think this critter has a future in law enforcement? Do the rest of us a favor and have him prosecuted.

And what about supporting his child? Gonna let him off the hook on that one too?

Good luck to your friend, but she sounds "decisionally challenged" to me.

My two cents.
 
"Good luck to your friend, but she sounds "decisionally challenged" to me."

Ledbetter, my sister-in-law was in an abusive relationship with a guy and had a h*ll of a time getting out. I thought it should be as easy as walking out the door, but some of these guys can get a mental hold on a woman that's very hard to break. Fortunately, she got her act together and got out, and some
well-chosen words by those of us in the family convinced him to stop stalking her.

Dick
 
Good lord,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>She (softhearted) knows he is pursuing a career in L.E. himself, and doesn't want to ruin the rest of any career in L.E. so she says no to the warrant option..??????[/quote]

So let him be a cop so he can make good cops look bad and f$%k with the rest of us?

Scooter71, please explain to this young lady friend that she needs to consider this.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scooter71:
She contacted the local Sheriff's Office Internal Affairs through a friend, sat down with the I.A. guy and told her story complete with evidence.

He said she has enough to swear out a warrant right now!

She (softhearted) knows he is pursuing a career in L.E. himself, and doesn't want to ruin the rest of any career in L.E. so she says no to the warrant option..??????
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I think she's being shortsighted -- does anybody really want this hotheaded clown out on the street, armed? Not me. I say get him bounced, remove the bad apple from the LEO barrel.
 
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