Taylors & Co. revolvers, opinions?

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New guy here, love the forum. Great info!

I've been a Ruger shooter all of my life. I hunt with a SS Super Blackhawk 10" barrel, open sites. Love the wheelgun for deer in the thick brush here in my part of VA.

I was at a local gun shop the other day and looked at a used Taylors Cattleman .357. I'm in the market for a open carry SA revolver in the .357 caliber and I really like the way this gun feels. Its hard for me not to buy another Ruger, the two that I have are awesome weapons(I CC a LCR .38). I also have an American Heritage Rough Rider 22LR/22WMR that I plink with, also a great little gun.

I like the Taylors since it is made in VA, that sways me some. Just unsure about the quality and how it will hold value.

What experiences do you all have with this revolver?
 
Good guns but Taylor's just imports Uberti replicas like Cimarron, EMF, Dixie Gun Works and Stoeger. They're not made in Virginia.
 
Ah! The dealer told me they were "made" in VA. I could have misunderstood I guess :rolleyes:

If its just another import I will stick with a Ruger
 
If you liked the Uberti Cattleman, have a look at the Ruger Vaquero. Personally, I like and own both brands. I also have a Uberti/Cimarron 44 WCF rifle on my wish list.
 
Real Gun, which do you like best? I have not shot a Vaquero yet. The Cattleman I'm looking at has had the action reworked for competition by a local cowboy action competitor and expert gunsmith. It was really smooth not gonna lie ;)
 
The Uberti made SAA clones are quite nice.

Just keep in mind, these aren't safe to carry with 6 rounds like the Ruger is.

Empty chamber under the hammer for carry.
 
^good point! I need to rethink open carry of this gun if I get it. All of my weapons have a specific purpose so a .357 that I can't open carry may not be a wise choice for me
 
Taylor's imports from the same sources as the other companies mentioned.
NONE of their Colt clones are MADE in Virginia, or anywhere else in the USA. :)
Denis
 
SARuger said:
^good point! I need to rethink open carry of this gun if I get it. All of my weapons have a specific purpose so a .357 that I can't open carry may not be a wise choice for me
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Empty chamber under the hammer doesn't rule out carrying the gun openly, nor concealed.

I've been carrying this old .44 Special Ruger for four years:



Bob Wright
 
I agree Bob, I do like to be as safe as I can be at all times, I'm use to carrying modern Rugers and having an empty chamber would take some getting use to. I really like the Taylors, I like the way it feels.
 
Was it made in the USA how can your dealer be wrong on the used gun?
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Dealers can be wrong about some things, and downright deceptive about others

Simply looking closely at the markings on the gun can answer most questions
 
Last spring I purchased a Cimarron Uberti model P OM in 45 Colt caliber and I did a write up on how pleased I was with the gun.

I'm still very pleased with it, so pleased as a matter of fact that I've ordered a Cimarron Uberti Bisley model that should be here any day now.

I was warned by some on this forum that the parts are soft and the guns will not hold up, I've yet to find this to be true.

My Uberti out of the box had a trigger pull weight at 2.5 lbs , 6000 rounds later it still has a 2.5 lb trigger pull that breaks as clean as a glass rod.

I've shot some pretty darn stout loads in my Uberti, the cylinder stills locks up good and tight and has yet to develop a turn ring.

I own several Ruger SA revolvers, since the Uberti arrived they seldom leave the gun safe.

My advice is don't be to quick to judge a Uberti revolver as junk.

I don't know what the price is on the Taylor you are looking at but you might be able to purchase a new Cimarron Uberti for less money.

Best Regards
Bob Hunter
www.huntercustoms.com
 
Real Gun, which do you like best? I have not shot a Vaquero yet. The Cattleman I'm looking at has had the action reworked for competition by a local cowboy action competitor and expert gunsmith. It was really smooth not gonna lie
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Deciding which I like best would be a tough call. My Vaquero is special and has had a couple hundred $$ worth of tuning. I am a fan of Uberti though.

One of the main reasons for investing in the .45 Colt Vaquero enhancements was to make the cylinder throats the right size for lead bullets (.4525) and with a smooth, properly angled forcing cone...then the trigger job. A gun obviously destined to fire lead cowboy ammo should have been spec'd for it from the factory, no excuses.
 
The new Ubertis can be safely carried with six rounds.
They have a tiny hammer block on the hammer below the firing pin that protrudes when the hammer is moved to the first click.
It's very clever and nearly invisible.

PS The made in Italy stamp will be on the bottom of the barrel.
 
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The new Ubertis can be safely carried with six rounds.
They have a tiny hammer block on the hammer below the firing pin that protrudes when the hammer is moved to the first click.
It's very clever and nearly invisible.
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Howdy

The US government imposes some rules on imported firearms that are not applicable to domestically produced firearms. One such rule is that imported single action revolvers must have some sort of device in them that will prevent them from firing if dropped on the hammer. The device you are talking about was called the D Cam, or the D Cam hammer. Here is a link to a photo of one:

http://www.hobbygunsmith.com/Archives/Oct04/OriginalSear.JPG

I used to have an Uberti Cattleman with a D Cam hammer and frankly I would not have trusted it if dropped with a live round under the hammer. The cam was sturdy enough, but the rest of the parts were tiny and did not look very strong to me. Plus, it was easy to turn the tiny screw and get everything out of alignment. As far as I know, Uberti stopped supplying revolvers with the D cam hammer some time ago. Perhaps they felt the same way about it that I did.

More recently Uberti Single Action revolvers come with a cylinder pin with two grooves in it. When the pin is in the rearward position, the rear of the pin protrudes backwards to prevent the hammer from going all the way down. The pin needs to be pulled forward to the second groove in order for the hammer to fall all the way and fire the gun. I have an Uberti Cattleman that was imported in 2001 with this device in it. This is a safer option. However, if the pin is in the forward position, so the gun can be fired as soon as it is unholstered, and if it is dropped and lands on the hammer with a live round under it, it will probably discharge. This pin can prove to be very annoying if one forgets to pull it to the forward position and tries to fire the gun. Like many CAS shooters I removed the pin and replaced it with a standard after market pin. Now the gun must be treated the same as any other single action revolver with a colt type lockwork. It must be carried with an empty chamber under the hammer.


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Yes, Taylors does not manufacture anything, they are an importer. I wish I had a dollar for all the misinformation I have heard from dealers.

Uberti revolvers are pretty good. They are not Colts, they do not have the fit and finish of the parts inside that Colt does. Trust me on this, I own both and have been inside them all. Rough surfaces inside the gun mean more friction is generated so the springs need to be stronger to overcome the excess friction. That's why they will always benefit from a true action job. But they are still pretty good. They are not Rugers, Rugers have a completely different lockwork and the parts work on different principles, plus all the springs inside a Ruger are coil springs, which which are for all intents and purposes indestructible. Add to that the transfer bar in a Ruger and you can safely carry it fully loaded.

You pays your money, you takes your choice.
 
Uberti SAs have exhibited variable quality levels over the years, and did develop a rep for soft guts several years ago.

I had to get one Uberti's trigger replaced for a friend because the sear/tip was so soft it had actually bent & curled, leaving the gun with a dangerously light trigger pull.
You can talk to longtime gunsmiths who are familiar with Ubertis in the past & hear similar stories.

This does NOT mean all Ubertis are junk.
The soft guts issue was noticed more with increasing CAS use, when the guns were being pushed harder than the Italians had ever intended them to be.

Quality was elevated with the new factory, but in talking to one outfit who specializes in working on them, and with one of the Uberti USA gunsmiths who handles repairs, dimensions & tolerances are still somewhat variable from batch to batch.

Again- this does not mean they are junk.
They're better now, on the whole, than they used to be, and can give a buyer many years of use.
The internals seem to be holding up much better now.

Re the safety-
The last two Colt clones I had here this year had both, the extended cylinder base pin, and the inside-the-hammer block device.
Make your own decision on whether to carry six-up or not.
The base pin, incidentally, is not practical for use as a safety while carrying. Takes too long to "un-use". :)
Denis
 
Of the three (3) Uberti/Cimarron Stallion 38s bought (new) this year, all have the two position cylinder pin and 1/4 cock "safety" hammer position. All are carried fully loaded. None are used in competition, where I suppose the prospect of dropping a gun might be more of a concern.
 
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