taurus pt 145 bad gun????

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wolverine133

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after purchasing a new taurus pt145 i took it to the range to try her out. well i shot about 20 rounds through it( two diff brands ammo) and it only took 40!!!!!! pulls of the trigger!!!
every round was a FTF!!!! most went off with the second pull
a few never fired. brand new out of the box.
i immediatly called taurus and had to send it in. so much for my new gun.
after some reseach on this forum i now see that the frames are going to crack. thats "are"not "if"
well has anyone heard of the poblem im having?
what else am i in for!!!
 
He dosen't have to do a search! I'll tell him right now!! They SUCK!!! :barf: I had, I repeat, had one. After only 650 rounds of standard pressure 230gr S&B hardball, the frame cracked!!! This happened on 5, count 'em 5 of the pistols that my FFL got into his store. :eek: Agreed, the gun is accurate I printed 2" groups at 25 yds and I still have the target to prove it. The frame cracks ended what could have been a beautiful relationship!!! :rolleyes: I'm not going to trust such a frail weapon to save my butt in a emergency!! :mad: I sold it back to the store where I bought it from and bought night sights for my Glock 36, which I bought to replace that little POS!!!! ;)
 
I have heard stories about the frame cracking and they are true. I know someone who personally had their frame crack. I have only shot 17 rounds throught mine. No malfunctions. I have never heard of one that failed to fire. Does anyone really think that the frame will crack and it will fail to function while you are using the weapon for self denense? They will still function with a cracked frame. Yes the frame is a problem that I hope Taurus will fix.
 
Let's look at the facts not emotion ....

Yes, certainly there has been a problem with the frames cracking but on earlier production guns. Supposedly Taurus has introduced a second generation frame that is greatly reenforced to handle the .45ACP. What I have read and heard is that there have been no reports of the new frames having any problems. If the frame on your handgun does crack Taurus will replace it with a new second generation frame under their lifetime warranty. Yes, it is a BIG hassle. Yes, I definately hope the frame on my 6 weeks old PT-145 does not crack but I was will to risk the possible hassle. This is a wonderful CCW handgun. 10+1 in a very concealable, accurate and controllable 22oz handgun. I have put only a few hundred rounds through mine but I do really like it. To say the PT-145 is a "POS" as an earlier poster stated in way over stated IMHO. I believe that I purchased an excellent CCW handgun for under $400. Only time will tell. Be Safe.
 
Guns aren't bad. Some people are bad....

Welcome to TFL!

I've done a lot of research on PT-145s and considered denfoote's experiences plus those of others who've had "cracked" frames, and I'm determined to get a stainless PT-145 based on its design and merits.

It's not that denfoote, etc., don't know what they're talking about. They do, but they've lost confidence in the guns. Since yours is the first report I've seen of PT-145s delivering wimpy primer strikes, I'm confident that it's an anomaly peculiar to your gun.

Regarding the frame cracking reports, nobody's been hurt and there aren't any associated failures to fire due to the cracking. More importantly, Taurus has fixed them all at zero cost to the owners, and the tendency seems to have been fixed with newer guns -- serial numbers NUGxxxx and later -- manufactured after July, 2001.

I'm not going to trust anything right out of the box. It's going to have to be proven in a shakedown, just as you are doing. If a gun's gone "bang" a few hundred times when and only when I've wanted it to, I'm going to feel pretty confident that it will do it the next time. Besides if it doesn't, I can always pull the trigger again before doing the rack trick....
 
I don't know if I would say zero cost to owners. I still had to pay for shipping to get the gun fixed. For now the PT-145 has been replaced, probably for atleast a year.

Having confidence in your gun is a big part. A small frame crack can shake everything up.
 
StratfordHoldings,

Sorry to hear that! The others I checked out called Taurus, and Taurus sent FedEx by to pick up the pistol for return at Taurus' expense.

As I recall, yours was stainless wasn't it? Do you know if all the steel parts in it were stainless or just the slide?
 
NUGxxxxxx serial number guns had the frame cracking too. Perhaps a later version has been fixed. I liked how small and light my Taurus was. Plus the $400 price tag couldn't be beat. Perhaps one day, I'll break down and buy another PT-145.
 
Does anyone have a written statement from Taurus that says the frames were reinforced?
As far as I've heard, Taurus has never admitted that there is a design problem with the PT-145.
Did I miss something? Let me know if I did.
I remember someone claiming that the frames had been fixed on the post July 2001 pistols, but no official word from Taurus.
There are reports of post July 2001 PT-145s cracking...

I had a PT-145 and liked it, but sold it to get a USP, before the frame crack issues were reported . If Taurus admits to the problem and really fixes it, I would consider adding another one to the collection, but only after the PT-145 has proven itself for a few years. It would be a great CCW gun if the problem is fixed.
 
When I called Taurus, they said that I would need to send it in for repairs. They didn't offer anything and did not admit anything.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by steel parts but there are pictures of my gun at www.pt145.com I have since sold the pistol so I couldn't tell you for sure.
 
Since Taurus probably does what other manufacturers do in ordering parts in batches, they probably had "flawed" polymer frames from one batch assembled into pistols spanning months so a flawed frame made in January could have found itself assembled for the first time in August.

I found some owners who said the frames on their repaired pistols were "different" than the original frames, and that's why I concluded that Taurus has fixed the underlying problem with the frames and has exhausted their supply of the flawed ones through the ordinary course of business.

I'm giving Taurus the benefit of the doubt in thinking they didn't knowingly use up frames they knew were flawed. Their contrition is suggested by an apparent change in policy regarding absorbing shipping costs to return pistols that had cracked frames. Maybe they FINALLY realized there was a problem and took measures to make it right but only going forward. I doubt if denfoote or StratfordHoldings are going to be happy Taurus owners though! Pioneers never seem to get a fair shake.... :(
 
StratfordHoldings,

Some manufacturers slap a stainless slide on and claim their product is stainless. Others make all of the metal parts out of stainless steel.

The first way is obviously cheaper to make and does better in the corrosion department than blued steel because the parts exposed to sweat, etc., are stainless. But claiming that such guns are stainless is misleading for somebody who actually wants more than a stainless finish.

I acquired an all stainless Walther PPK .380 that wasn't cleaned before going into ventilated storage for 15-20 years in a humid climate. If it ever had any, all the lubrication had evaporated. Even so, the pistol worked perfectly and suffered absolutely no ill effects from the abuse. After cleaning and lubricating, it was a real sweetheart (for an underpowered biter). Under the same abuse, a stainless finish pistol would have been a pretty pile of rust and a blued steel pistol would have been an ugly pile of rust.

I want an all stainless PT-145, but I haven't found out if they're actually that or just stainless finish (stainless exposed parts).
 
Blackhawk wrote:
tendency seems to have been fixed with newer guns -- serial numbers NUGxxxx and later
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Sorry Blackhawk,
Mine was a NUGxxxx, and it cracked, after the frame pins had worked out, and the rear sight came loose.
While some manufacturers will admit to a bad run of parts, i.e. KelTec, Armalite, etc., Taurus told me that there was no problem that they were aware of.
I think I would have felt better if they had admitted a problem.

My gun was the third from the small dealer to go back in as many weeks.
It was a pleasant gun to shoot, very accurate, and there was nothing else in it's size/wt./price category.
But, yes I have lost confidence in it.
 
Sometimes I think Taurus has lawyers who were part of the "Problem, what problem?" deny everything ilk that did the automobile industry so much damage in the '70s. Kahr and Kel-Tec seem to be willing to admit the obvious when there is a problem, but the stonewalling of Taurus on this issue really irritates me, and I don't even own one!

I am forewarned, and I am willing to buy a PT-145 despite my reservations. I would greatly prefer that Taurus own up to the undeniable previous problems with them. Maybe they should fire their stupid lawyers while they're at it. Gun owners aren't your typical gullible soccer moms who can be BSed into believing any old thing. Taurus is sullying its own reputation among its potential customers, but maybe I should be happy. If Taurus straightens up and flies right, demand for its products would go up followed by prices, and I'm in the market to buy one.... :)
 
Probably when I pick up another PT-145, it will most likely be a used one. I want one that has had some abuse to it.

With regards to stainless finish or stainless parts, I couldn't tell you for sure. Probalby only way to find out for sure is to cut the thing in half.

Either way, the Charles Daly DDA is doing a great job substituting for the PT-145.
 
Thanks.

I looked at the pictures of your old PT-145, and if color is any indication, I'd bet that it had a carbon steel barrel, which suggests that only the slide was stainless.

When I get one rounded up, I'll take a small magnet along to test it with....

I could just ask Taurus, but that wouldn't be nearly as much fun. :D
 
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