"Targeting Guns" by Kleck

BTR

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I just finished Gary Kleck's "Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control" and found it an excellent source of dispassionate facts and study information. Kleck was completely unemotional (which makes the book less interesting, but more persuasive). I must warn you- he's no NRA booster, and does not reject all gun laws. He favors concealed carry licensing like Florida, and the instant check, applied to retail and private purchase. The book is almost 400 pages, and covers, factually, almost all issues, except the Second Amendment and the armed citizen philosophy.

Kleck does a good job in destroying anti-gun studies, concluding there is almost no evidence gun control reduces crime (with a few exceptions, which is why he does endorse some laws.) He gives the general flaws with many of the studies, and specific examples. He covers machine guns, "assault weapons", armor piercing bullets, cheap guns, and handguns.

His treatment of self-defense is excellent. I had heard the anti-gun statistic of 80,000 defensive uses per year, but did not know that was the lowest number available, and that every other survey (of which there was at least 15) showed a minimum of 700,000 uses. He said claims of 700,000-2,000,000 uses were accurate.

He also discusses gun-carrying, personalities of gun owners, suicide, accidents, public opinion, "health studies" and the impact of gun control laws. He also gives his recommendations for laws (which probably will annoy some of us).

The book is long, and dry in places, but good if you want facts, not emotion or boosterism. The book definitely favors our side far more than that of the antis. I can recommend it, as it should aid us in the debate.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The book is long, and dry in places, but good if you want facts, not emotion or boosterism. The book definitely favors our side far more than that of the antis. I can recommend it, as it should aid us in the debate.[/quote]

I like facts, and am sure this is a great book. I'm equally sure that there is damn little debate happening. The gun-grabbing, anti-rights HCI types aren't interested in rational debate. This is a hallmark of modern so-called "liberalism" (see Clinton, Gore, Sharpton, et al) in any number of areas.

Instead of rational debate, politics is being reduced to pure emotionalism and propaganda that is truly Hitlerian/Goebbelsian in it's approach, and, apparently, effectiveness. It is truly a scary thing to watch happen to the country.
 
BTR,

I agree with you. I would highly recommend Kleck's book for the serious student. Did you know that he started his studies to prove that gun control works, and was enough of a scientist to accept his results--i.e., that gun control does not work. Do you also know that HCI commissioned a study to debunk his theories, and the study proved his facts to be accurate? Of course, that study was squelched.

Kleck's work is impeccable, which is why he is such a threat to the antis.

Robert
 
BestDefense,
I had heard that Kleck's original work was actually first commissioned by HCI. Kleck wanted to do it as he agreed with their views, but didn't want to accept funding from them because he was objective enough to want to find out the truth, and so undertook it on his own, hoping it would turn out the way they wanted, but willing to stick with the facts regardless of where they lead. That shows genuine intellectual honesty, as well as guts.
Kleck, BTW, is a registered Democrat and a card-carrying member of the ACLU (or so I've read.)

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