Talk about pressure signs

Tom68

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Reading about pressure signs in books and on the internet is one thing; experiencing excess pressure is another. No bad experiences today, simply some learning opportunities that I would like to share, and ask our members to weigh in and fill in the gaps in my understanding.

First, a bit about what I was doing today at the range. I was working with two new-to-me rifles from the CMP, an M1903A3 and an M1917. I had on hand some Greek surplus M2 Ball from the CMP, as well as a few handloads I had put together. I was mainly evaluating for function, and a general idea of accuracy.

My first lesson is that excess pressure in one rifle may not necessarily display signs of excess pressure in another. I presume this is due to a number of differences in how the chamber is cut, wear on the throat, etc. Anyway, the Greek M2 showed no problems in the 03A3, but when I tried it in the 1917 I experienced my first "sticky bolt". I had read about it, and know it is a clear indication of overpressure, but I was surprised by the amount of force required to lift the bolt handle. Secondly, the primers were significantly cratered. Pictures do not do justice to this condition, but now I have seen first-hand.

Another new lesson, or at least experience, was that of a blown primer. Call me lucky, but in over two years of handloading I have never had any cartridge failure of any sort until today. This particular lot of handloads were assembled with the intent of doing a ladder test on another rifle, which I never did...so I used them in the 03A3 and 1917, incrementally and carefully, always checking the previous casing for signs before firing the next. I think of myself as a careful reloader--anything other than "volume-nowhere near max" type of loads is individually trickled and weighed. Anyway, I went from "fine" to "blown primer" with just a 0.3 grain increase. Needless to say, no more rounds from that lot were expended, and the remainder will be pulled. If it blows in one rifle, I have no desire to try again with another!

My lesson learned today? well, maybe not a lesson, but at least my plan for my USA mil-surp .30/06 is to stick with IMR 4895, and find a middle of the road charge weight that both rifles shoot okay. Not expecting spectacular accuracy, but they are fun to shoot. My sore shoulder can attest to that!
 
In a round as old as the .30-06, it would seem that chamber pressure allowance can vary by more than a few thousand pounds per square inch between somewhat older rifles and their modern counterparts. Check the data on your load and see if it had anything to do with nearing/exceeding the max suggested chamber pressure. Primer cratering and blowing could also be due the firing pin being slightly too long or too sharp (Source: ABCs of Reloading).

You might want to post this in the handloading forum, those guys know heaps more than I do. Sounds like you had an educational day!
 
Excessive headspace.

Hard bolt lift and primer woes can happen at very mild pressures when there is a huge gap between bolt face and cartridge head.
 
I forgot to mention, both rifles were checked and given a go on headspace by CMP before I took them home. Sounds like the 1917 may need re-checking...
 
Back sixty years ago, my first-ever centerfire was a 1917. It was a DCM still-in-cosmoline star-gauge barrel critter. I loaded 110-grain Hornadys ahead of 53.5 grains of DuPont 3031, and 150-grain Bronze Points ahead of 52.5 grains of DuPont 4064. Never an over-pressure sign of any sort.

When Remington introduced the 721, they sent out a press release about a torture test comparison. One of the rifles was a 1917. It locked up after being fired with three 220-grain bullets ahead of a case full of 4064--but it didn't "blow up".
 
The 1917 may pass the NOGO test and still have max headspace. Given the Greek HXP
is likely manufactured w/ Min headspace to ensure first-time/only-time battle
chambering, that could/would cause the pressure symptoms you described.

`Suggest you only partially resize a couple of fired HXP cases (until they just allow bolt closure),
pull the bullets/powder out of some unfired HXP cartridges to reload the cases you just prepared,
and see if the 1917 doesn't do just fine.
 
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