Switzerland & guns

Cowman

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So I'm sure most of you have heard at one point or another that in Switzerland they make every male go enlist in their army and after some training they send him home with a rifle that he keeps.

Probably also have heard someone point out the low crime rate they have over there suposedly because of this.



Well here's the hypothetical question:
Assuming that the President and the majority of congress wanted to see it happen, could such a thing work here?
Note I'm not asking would it ever happen, I'm asking if it could work.
 
Problem: All-volunteer armed forces. Maybe even the 13th Amendment :)

Requiring firearms training in school and giving tax breaks for yearly training and qualification might lead to the same thing, if you were to support using the tax code to steer the herd where you wanted them.

Argie
 
I lived and worked in Switzerland for a few years. Military service for males is required if you're between 19 and 30; it's voluntary for women. There are ways out of it - you can apply for civilan duty or you can get a doctor to certify that you're not fit for the military - these folks pay additonal income taxes, around 2% if I'm remembering it right. About 30% got some form of exemption when I was there. Military service is very tied into Swiss society, those exempted are not generally business/political leaders. They started cutting military forces in 2004, it's expected to go from 525,000 to about 220,000 by 2011.
They do take their rifle home with them while in the militia and 50 rounds of ammo. Ammo/rifle are supposed to be stored in separate places and the ammo is supposed to be in a tamper proof tin and not opened until you're ordered to open it. When I was there, my co-workers weren't too happy about this rule because they attend (it's not required, but is recommended) various shooting matches during the year where they have to qualify. They had to purchase their ammo for these and it didn't go over well. They were allowed to keep their rifle after their service was completed, but they had to pay for it. Most that I knew gave them back - happy to be rid of it after many years of military service. I doubt having the rifle in the home contributes to the low crime rate - it a whole different culture there. To make a long story short - people don't take stuff that belongs to someone else. I had a bicycle while living there and I never locked it. I'd ride to the lake near my apartment, drop the bike on the grass and go swimming for an hour or more. My bike/bag/etc. never was touched. I'd go shopping on my bike, leaning up on a well outside the shop - again, never bothered. I never locked my apartment door, neither did my neighbors.
One thing to note is they claim they can mobilize their army in under 14 hours. Most buildings have some form of bomb shelter in them, it's required by building codes. Our apartment building had storage units in the basement, the walls of these units could be easily broken down and made beds - enough for everyone in the building. The country is pretty well prepared for war, better than many.
 
I've recently went out with a Swiss girl, a blonde bombshell....hearing this news about the honest and gun-tolerant Swiss society makes me want to re-take German 101 and move to Zurich. There I can become a rich Swiss investment banker, have a Swiss girlfriend, and enjoy shooting Sigs for the rest of my life.

Why do I want to move to Switzerland from Hawaii? Hawaii is one of the most anti-gun states in the nation, we have the highest motorcycle theft rate in the nation, #1 for methampetamine epidemic ("ice,") a high murder rate for an island, as well as traffic that, according to some Kalifornians going to my school, is worse than L.A. at its peak.

Would anyone like to "go Euro" with me? ;)
 
by the way, I do think the Swiss style can work.... whilst I am still a great patriot and love my country, there are plenty of things that our nation has to work on.

Of course, do you really think a sudden shift to the pro-gun side in our society and legal system will happen, especially when our government is corrupt and is run by politicians who are controlled by special interest groups, lobbyists, and corporate money? :mad:

EDIT: One way to play the game to our favor is to support special interest groups like the NRA.
 
Your odds of moving to Switzerland are very slim. I also work for a Swiss company and have gone there several times. Our manufacturing facility there has an annual rifle shoot where everything from old K-31s to ther current automatic rifles compete. It is a very open gun nation.

Personally I oppose mandatory military service for all Americans. Switzerland is different though. On more than one occasion they have been surrounded by hostile nations. Adopting a bunker mentality is how they survive. You cannot eevn build on farmland there because if it hits the fans the government would just order all the vinyards dug up and begin planting potatoes to feed the nation. They know they are not going to storm out of the Alps and take Gremany (although modern France should not be too hard) but only wish to make the point to their neighbors that is would be far to costly to invade for what they will get (some watches, cheese and chocolate).

The Swiss lack of common street crime has to due with a heightenned sense of civic virtue and responsiblitiy that is all to missin gin America. We do everything possible to stamp out the idea of civic virtues and responsibility hear in favor of free expression and individualism. COmbine that wit lack of personal consequences and you have modern LA and NYC.

The Swiss do have a problem with immigrant crime. Unlike the ISA being born in Switerland does not make you Swiss. I know one guy who was born there, is 33 years old, has a wife and child there, and still has a German pasport. The Swiss gaurd their citizenship.

Srudying German 101 will not help you (except for written German). Unless you can learn Swiss-German (some different words and a whole different dialect) you are better off learning French. That is what I did.
 
I have thought of moving to Switzerland, too. I wonder - if a person were to do so, could you bring the guns you currently own with you? In a legal manner, of course.
 
have thought of moving to Switzerland, too. I wonder - if a person were to do so, could you bring the guns you currently own with you? In a legal manner, of course.

I looked into that when I moved over and was told to leave my guns here.
You can "move" there, but bring only your money - and be sure you have lots of it or you won't be staying long. When I lived there, I had a "B" work permit which was pretty good. After so many years of being there on a "B" permit - and having no difficulties you could apply to stay. Don't know what system they have in place now, they had a lot of trouble with their "street sweeper worker class" and might have tightened things up. German will get you by for reading and most speaking in the North, French in the West and Italian in the South. I lived in Zurich, and for casual speaking Switzerdeutsch is what is used. It's quite different from German and to further complicate things there are regional dialects.
 
Swiss

The Swiss actually took our Founding Father's Second Amendment and put teeth in it. All men between certain ages are a part of the militia, and that's why they're issued guns.

It was this type of militia that our Founders envisioned. The so-called awkward wording of the Second Amendment makes more sense when you know that the militia is comprised of all military-age men.

Because EVERY American male between the ages of 17-45 are also in what's called the "unorganized" militia, according to the United States Code. During WWII civil authorities called upon the young and the older to bring their own guns to serve at checkpoints near the coast.
 
What are the Laws regarding bringing guns backs from Switzerland? I am going to a large family reunion there in 2010 (wifes side, her grandfather is Swiss) and would like to bring back more than chocolate and wine (they own a vinyard).

I am also considering bringing back a Pinzgauer 6x6. The last time my father in law was there he saw them at an auction. :cool:
 
Switzerland and Guns

Here is something you should know:
If you are not a born resident you can not own a gun.
If you or I go there the government says no guns to You and I.
 
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