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That would be the one you can shoot well, even if it is an old M10 38 Special. Provided you can shoot larger calibers well and do it quickly go with them, I would not recommend the 29/629 though or the 610 with full on 10mm ammo as recoil, blast and power are significantly more than necessary.
Of the guns mentioned, I'd vote the 625 followed by the 610. They should be considerably cheaper to feed and practice with than a .44 mag. They will also give you less overpenetration and considerably less recoil/noise and muzzle flash. ( Assuming you shoot .44 mag vs specials.) The moon clips also make for increadably fast reloading , even in the dark.
I have a 625 4" and it's my favorite modern S&W revolver. Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with a good 4" K, L or N frame .357/.38 revolver. LOTS of them in the used market at CHeap prices. ( It doesn't have to be a beauty queen for home defense.) My picks would be 586/686, 581, 27, 28, 13, 15,19, 65, 64 etc and variations there of.
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I have a 625 4" and it's my favorite modern S&W revolver. Having said all that, there is nothing wrong with a good 4" K, L or N frame .357/.38 revolver. LOTS of them in the used market at CHeap prices. ( It doesn't have to be a beauty queen for home defense.) My picks would be 586/686, 581, 27, 28, 13, 15,19, 65, 64 etc and variations there of.
My 2 cents
I may have mentioned that I use a plain ol' 64 as a house pistol.
FWIW, I have a 625, as well as Model 629, PC627, 624, 610, 325, 544, 57, 27, .38/44 Heavy Duty, 686, 646, 581, 296, Military & Police, 10, 12, PC-13, 15, 19, 64, 65, 547, 31, 34, 36, 37, 38, 49, 442, PC640 Carry Comp, .38 Regulation Police, .32 Hand Ejector Third Model, and .38 Safety Hammerless 4th Model revolvers.
You're right; there's nothing wrong with a good .38 K-frame.
Quoted: Can you say me why .44 is too much for HD?
Thank you in advance
For home defense, overpenetration is a valid concern. You hit someone with a 240gr JHP .44mag, I almost a guarantee it's coming out the other side. Even the hot 180gr JHP's may have too much penetration.
Recoil is another problem. If you need a follow-up shot or have a second threat to deal with, the recoil of the .44mag, especially in a shorter barrel, is going to slow down the accurate rate of fire.
I'm not bashing the .44mag. I love it. My 4" 629 is one of my favorite revolvers. But, I'll stick with a round that has enough stopping power, but will probably end up staying in the intended target for home defense. Which means that, in a revolver, it's a 3" M65 loaded with 125gr Federal Classic JHP's. In an auto, it's either a Smith 9mm, various models, loaded with 115gr Winchester SXT +P+ or a .40 Sigma loaded with 165gr SXT's.
IMO, and it's open to a debate between many different schools of thought, I prefer a light, fast moving bullet for home defense. You will have quick, violent expansion with excellent transfer of energy. Yes, it can be argued that the lighter bullets (mostly in the 9mm, the 125gr .357mag is king) will not always penetrate reliably through heavy clothing or leather jackets. It's a small price to pay, again IMO, when I take the overpenetration issue into consideration for the safety of my family. I'd rather have to hit the threat multiple times with less of a chance of a bullet passing through and becoming a danger to other occupants of the house.
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For home defense, overpenetration is a valid concern. You hit someone with a 240gr JHP .44mag, I almost a guarantee it's coming out the other side. Even the hot 180gr JHP's may have too much penetration.
Recoil is another problem. If you need a follow-up shot or have a second threat to deal with, the recoil of the .44mag, especially in a shorter barrel, is going to slow down the accurate rate of fire.
I'm not bashing the .44mag. I love it. My 4" 629 is one of my favorite revolvers. But, I'll stick with a round that has enough stopping power, but will probably end up staying in the intended target for home defense. Which means that, in a revolver, it's a 3" M65 loaded with 125gr Federal Classic JHP's. In an auto, it's either a Smith 9mm, various models, loaded with 115gr Winchester SXT +P+ or a .40 Sigma loaded with 165gr SXT's.
IMO, and it's open to a debate between many different schools of thought, I prefer a light, fast moving bullet for home defense. You will have quick, violent expansion with excellent transfer of energy. Yes, it can be argued that the lighter bullets (mostly in the 9mm, the 125gr .357mag is king) will not always penetrate reliably through heavy clothing or leather jackets. It's a small price to pay, again IMO, when I take the overpenetration issue into consideration for the safety of my family. I'd rather have to hit the threat multiple times with less of a chance of a bullet passing through and becoming a danger to other occupants of the house.
If you have some money to spend, and really want a .44, the new model 21 -- Thunder Ranch in .44 Special would be a fine choice, albeit a pricey one.
The model 10 or model 64 (stainless model 10) in .38 would be a good choice with a .38 +p round.
Then there's the model 65 in .45 ACP. Big bore bullet, and moon clips really are the fastest way to reload a revolver.
Magnums indoors are bad juju. Blasting out your eardrums (and anyone else's in the house) and blinding yourself aren't great ideas.
You picked CZ 75 as your name. Do you have one? What's wrong with using it as the house gun, or are you just wanting a revolver?
The model 10 or model 64 (stainless model 10) in .38 would be a good choice with a .38 +p round.
Then there's the model 65 in .45 ACP. Big bore bullet, and moon clips really are the fastest way to reload a revolver.
Magnums indoors are bad juju. Blasting out your eardrums (and anyone else's in the house) and blinding yourself aren't great ideas.
You picked CZ 75 as your name. Do you have one? What's wrong with using it as the house gun, or are you just wanting a revolver?
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All of the above...if you can shoot them well...
gordo b.,
Different guns for different purposes. Yes, I carry a 296 as a purse gun: It's light, snag-free, can be fired inside the purse if necessary, and uses bullets that aren't as dependent on velocity or expansion as those from a .38 in case I do have to fire it from inside the purse. I also use a 442 as a pocket-carry BUG.
My "bed gun" is another example of a specific gun for a specific purpose. If I am awake, I have a 1911 on my hip, as that goes on with my jeans in the morning and comes off with them at night. However, I keep a 2" Model 64 concealed but easily accessible within a short arm's reach in my bed. The gun was selected for a very specific set of criteria; to wit, if there is a male intruder in my home at night that has taken the time to enter the house quietly enough to avoid waking me, I will assume he's not there to swap cookie recipies. Here's why the choice:
1) A revolver can be fired even with the muzzle pressed against an unauthorized occupant of my bed.
2) The 2" barrel K-frame ensures that I have plenty of gun to hold on to while offering as little barrel for him to grab hold of as possible. Should a tug-o-war for the gun develop, I want the leverage advantage in my favor.
3) The all-steel construction ensures that it'll make a fair bludgeon should it run empty.
4) The caliber was chosen because, well, I have plenty of magnum snubbies, and I wouldn't want to cap any of them off a foot or two from my face while wrasslin' with a goblin.
That's why I use that particular gun for that particular purpose. If he's unlucky enough to awaken me while entering the house, I'm not going to bother with any S&W revolvers; I'm going straight for the M4gery.
Different guns for different purposes. Yes, I carry a 296 as a purse gun: It's light, snag-free, can be fired inside the purse if necessary, and uses bullets that aren't as dependent on velocity or expansion as those from a .38 in case I do have to fire it from inside the purse. I also use a 442 as a pocket-carry BUG.
My "bed gun" is another example of a specific gun for a specific purpose. If I am awake, I have a 1911 on my hip, as that goes on with my jeans in the morning and comes off with them at night. However, I keep a 2" Model 64 concealed but easily accessible within a short arm's reach in my bed. The gun was selected for a very specific set of criteria; to wit, if there is a male intruder in my home at night that has taken the time to enter the house quietly enough to avoid waking me, I will assume he's not there to swap cookie recipies. Here's why the choice:
1) A revolver can be fired even with the muzzle pressed against an unauthorized occupant of my bed.
2) The 2" barrel K-frame ensures that I have plenty of gun to hold on to while offering as little barrel for him to grab hold of as possible. Should a tug-o-war for the gun develop, I want the leverage advantage in my favor.
3) The all-steel construction ensures that it'll make a fair bludgeon should it run empty.
4) The caliber was chosen because, well, I have plenty of magnum snubbies, and I wouldn't want to cap any of them off a foot or two from my face while wrasslin' with a goblin.
That's why I use that particular gun for that particular purpose. If he's unlucky enough to awaken me while entering the house, I'm not going to bother with any S&W revolvers; I'm going straight for the M4gery.