Suspicous CCI Blazer ammo.

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Littlehoov

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I was at the gun store the other day asking some questions about my recent purchase, I wasnt entirely satisfied at the time yada yada.


Well, they had a grab bag there of various sorts of ammo, he explained that when people bring their guns in for service, they should be unloaded, and in fact most people even tell them they are unloaded, but often they are quite loaded, so they confiscate their ammo, kinda funny I thought.

But anyway, I guess for my trouble, he gave me a handful of ammo, most of it was 9mm Remington Golden Saber +P, either 115 or 124, Im not sure, but I got probably a dozen or more of those, so thats about 12 bucks or better.

Anyway on to my question, I also got 5 rounds of 9mm CCI Blazer ammo, in the steel or aluminum case, whichever it is. Its stamped non-reloadable, so that kind.

My mind kept thinking, "those look short" but I kept brushing it off, I had not shot them yet. Finally today I sat them upright on the counter next too a Magtech FMJ and they are quite a bit shorter, not the case itself, but the bullet is pushed down, probably a 1/4 inch shorter.

I know that having the bullet seated that much deeper will generate quite a bit more pressure, so Im leary of shooting them. I think its also possible that somebody didnt pay attention to the NR and reloaded them AND seated the bullet too far, a recipe for bad things.

What do ya'll think? By the way, the gun that would be firing it is a Hi-Point C9.

I went ahead a pic, albeit a poor one, my phone was the only thing I had handy to snap a pic with.

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Take NO CHANCES with that Hi-Point C9.

I would never fire reloads out of it either.

There is no deal worth blowing a gun up in your hands.

If you don't trust it,take to the range and dispose of it unfired or back to that guy that gave it to you and state why you are giving it back to him.

Don't be nasty,just say,

"Dude,I'm shooting a HiPoint,a good gun but not one I can afford to take any chances with."

"Here's your ammo back."

New name brand ammo in that Hi Point,standard rounds only and only 115 grn bullets as well.

And I would'nt use hollow points in it either.

Just fmj rounds.

In any gun though,if you don't trust ANY ammo you get,DO NOT USE IT.
 
Very good advise B.N.Real! +1.

Considering how you got it, I would just get rid of them... safely! You won't be out any cash, and since you didn't buy and open them out of a factory box, I wouldn't chance it.

They might work just fine, but they might not. It's not worth the chance. There are pictures and horror stories on here that begin with a story similar to yours.
 
Thanks for the advice. I think ill probably toss them over the hill.


Ive already shot hollow-points through it, so its too late for that. It us +P rated, but I wouldnt shoot them on a regular basis, the 147 gr Sabers I shot were not +P rated.


I do plan on shooting some target level handloads at some point. I dont see why they would be any different than factory ammo as long as the brass is in good shape. Again, Im not going to load them to the max, just a mediocre load that goes bang, and then sends a bullet downrange and still has enough energy to cycle the gun.


There is one of the CCI rounds that is normal length, but I think Ill toss them all, the thought of saving 20 or 30 cents is not good enough to justify blowing up my gun, or worse.

Anyway, thanks again.
 
If the CCI stuff is variable in length, like you seem to indicate, then it would to me indicate the bullets maybe be seated too deeply. I don't know that the alum stuff is possible to reload, it maybe has the two flash holes in the bottom? I have heard of factory stuff setting back bullets if the crimp or mouth tension was not up to snuff. I think their revolver rounds may be roll crimped or something to prevent that. Not much you can do with it, except trash it if it was free, or toss in a fire pit like some recommend. If you give it back the doofus might give it to someone else. If you had a kinetic bullet puller you could take it apart. Probably can do that with pliers too, if the bullets are loose enough to set back, but then you ruin the bullets maybe.
 
Maybe that's a euphemism for "returning them to the gun shop?" Maybe there's a gun shop at the bottom of the hill?
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I live in a rural area on a 300+ acre plot of land, if I throw them over the hill, I highly doubt any harm will come from it, I might try and take them apart or something like that, but I assure you, they wont harm anyone.

If worse comes to worse, Ill crimp the cases with pliers before I toss them over the hill, would that be better?:)

But anyway, Im not going to fire them, and Ill make sure no one else does.
 
I recently had problems with CCI Blazer Brass having severe set-back on .45ACP.... I had purchased 200 rounds and a lot of these rounds had set-back as much as .125"...that's a lot. This does cause a pressure increase and could be a problem. I sorted out the bad stuff, but I am not buying Blazer Brass for a while.

This is due to poor cripping and not the fact it is aluminum, brass or steel, just a poor job at the factory.
 
Definitely don't just throw them outside anywhere.

Ammo can stay powerful enough to kill someone for a hundred years.

Some hiking kids might get those twenty years from now and just being stupid,bang them on some rocks for fun,just to see if they can go off.

You never know what might happen on that property in fifty years.

Someone with a shovel might hit one and it could go off.

You just never know.

Take them back to the guy that gave them to you when you have a chance or just go to a gun store that sells reloads and give them to them.

Make sure you know where they went and that it was not out to the general public.
 
Looks like you may be comparing apples to oranges. You need to know what grain those bullets are. That cartridge looks right for CCI Blazer. I've shot the stuff frequently, and in 9mm it works just fine. The .44 Magnum won't cycle the action in my Desert Eagle, probably because CCI is seems to be underpowered.

It's ok range ammo. You can't reload the Aluminum because it's too brittle and can't be resized like brass can. Brass can become brittle too if it is reloaded too many times.
 
You are worried about firing them, so just don't. Take them back to the gun shop. A police station would probably take them too.
 
Any gun store that would hand me a 'grab bag' of unknown ammo from unknown sources.... is a gun store I would NEVER do business with again.
 
FrankenMauser brings up a very sad but excellent point.

This guy that gave you the ammo,did he know you had a HiPoint?

Maybe he thought it would be fun to have you come back to the gun store with your HiPoint in pieces.

Sum bxxx.
 
"Looks like you may be comparing apples to oranges. You need to know what grain those bullets are. That cartridge looks right for CCI Blazer. I've shot the stuff frequently, and in 9mm it works just fine."

I agree, I shoot CCI Blazer all the time and it works fine. It could be just a different grain bullet.
 
Rounds on their ammo are fairly harmless. They could take an eye out or produce a bruise but they rarely will kill anyone. They are like firecrackers when they go off. The casing is deadlier than the bullet outside of a barrel. The casing is lighter meaning it will accelerate faster. The bullet is only deadly when it is fired in a barrel, the gas pressure accelerating it to velocities capable of killing someone. Mythbusters looked at the myth of whether or not ammunition stored in an oven, if they went off, would they kill someone. They found the answer to be no.
 
ammo detonating outside a gun

Is usually not lethal, but it is not harmless. Chunks of brass can be propelled with enbough force to penetrate the skin or destroy an eye. Yes, all the do is make a loud pop, unless you happen to be in just the right place to catch a piece of case shrapnel.
 
I think Ill confiscate the gun powder from them and sell it too a reloading fanatic:)

I havent done anything with them yet, theyre sitting in a jar on my dresser. I live by myself so no one will mess with them.

If someone does come in, they might find some 9mm ammo, but it will be travelling to fast for them to grab.
 
Dude blazer freaks me the hell out, had a box of the aluminum cased non re loadable ones, scary stuff,
So i was shooting, had out the P95 i tend to concentrate more on aiming than the sound of the gun but i heard a quiet pop so i was like wtf and the gun was jammed, so here i am trying to get this round in the chamber and finally im like screw it and i reject it and try and use another one, no luck, the round just wont go in far enough, almost like something was blocking it, well sure enough i had a bullet stuck 1/2 way down my barrel, so after getting it out, i ponder, "what if it went down 1/2 inch farther, the damn gun would have blew up. So next to that and the speaks that come spewing out my gun when shooting the crap, i do not like that ammo at all.
 
I think Ill confiscate the gun powder from them and sell it too a reloading fanatic
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Don't waste your time. It's an unknown powder (or powder combination), that reloaders can't do anything with safely.

Throw it away. Throw it in your garden. Make a small pile in your drive way and light it. (I highly suggest the last suggestion, if you have never seen smokeless powder burn outside a pressure vessel. It'll just sizzle and fizzle.)
Do what you want with it. It isn't worth its own weight in dirt.

You might be able to give the bullets and primed cases away, but the powder is trash.
 
You seem to be focused on the Blazer aluminum rounds. I'd worry just as much about the brass cased ammo from the grab bag. Those could be someone's reloads and you don't have any idea what the individual thought they needed to be charged with for goblin stopping.

For what it's worth I've shot thousands of Blazer aluminum 9mm through my P226 without a single problem. If I was home I'd measure one and let you know the OAL of a 115gr FMJ. It's probably in the 1.15" range.
 
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