Where did you get your .45 suppressor?
Travis: I seriously want to know what manufacturer’s made your .45 can if all you hear is the action noise? I’m going to purchase every can they have!
The .22LR is the BEST choice for a suppressor. Bar none!
I challenge someone to argue this, after trying it
Take a Ruger MK2 or MK3. Use standard velocity .22LR and using the palm/ball of your hand hold the bolt closed while you shoot through a quality can. What you will hear is a sound that is indistinguishable from a Wal-Mart .177 CO2 pellet gun.
The way silencers work is EXACTLY the same way a Crotch-rocket motorcycle’s muffler works. The action noise of your average pistol comes in at about 90 to 100db. It doesn’t seem that loud because the noise is so brief.
A little bit of interesting data:
The noise from a MD-88 passenger jet aircraft, at full throttle, is about 129db. The average suppressed .22 (the built in units) is about 116db. If there is only 14db difference in sound, then how can we shoot all day and all night long, but cant stand 2 seconds around the engine? Simple answer: Frequency.
The human ear can only hear sounds (regardless of Db rate) between the range of 20 to 20k Hz. What a suppressor and motorcycle muffler does is not necessarily decrease db rates as it is modifying and therefore causing the sonic frequency to cancel itself out. In turn making the noise seem quieter than it is because it is in essence lowering the frequency to a more comfortable range.
This is why a lot of the really good suppressor designers and manufactures do not outwardly publish db rates. It truly is an unfair and highly inaccurate way of representing a product. Unfortunately it’s a catch 22. Manufacturers that do publish db rates do so with the intention of giving people a recognizable way of judging their can’s performance. What should be published is the frequency of the silencers upon weapon discharge. Unfortunately unless you’re an sonic engineer, smarter than the average person, or are an audiophile, you would have no friggin’ clue what the frequency numbers are. On top of that, the necessary testing equipment is EXTREAMLY expensive. From an operator’s (read SOCOM) perspective, a suppressor (other than .22) serves no other function than to hide the operator in the manner of misdirection. If you are standing downrange from a suppressed weapon, although you can still hear the report, it becomes VERY difficult to tell from what direction the shots are coming from. This is why operators MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT to NOT FIRE A SINGLE SHOT. Even a single shot from a silenced MP5 (the quietest of 9mm weapons is the H&K MP5SD) can, has, and will compromise a teams existence in that particular theater of operations.
I have a 1911, and a MK23 SOCOM with an AAC Evolution .45 can that I shoot them both with. The report is actually quite loud out from either weapon. The MK23, you can lock the slide to effectively be a single shot pistol. When the can is dry, its VERY loud (loud enough that its almost painful to shoot inside, and outside it will make your ears ring), but wet, its quite pleasant to shoot. Would I purchase the can again? HELL YES! I love shooting suppressed weapons. I don’t have to wear hearing protection if I don’t want to…
But even with a .22 it is impossible to delineate the sound of the report itself unless you use an inhibited can (wipes) or cover the muzzle with a duck-taped pillow
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If someone wants a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY nifty and UBER sweet silenced weapon… Get the dedicated upper to the Ruger MK2/MK3 series .22LR pistols from GEM-TECH! STUPID QUIET! JUST STUPID!
I have a suppressed MK-II (AWC) , a 10/22 (GEM-TECH) – this sounds exactly like a pellet gun, a AAC Pilot (to use on my other .22 pistols) – same as the pellet gun, an AAC Evolution-45 – sounds like someone takes a M-80 firecracker and covers it with a cardboard box. (when shot dry), when wet it sounds like the same firecracker under a pillow, an AAC M4-2000 .223 – sounds exactly like an unsuppressed .22LR from a rifle, a Gem-Tech Viper can in both .45 and 9mm (for use with my MAC 10) – sounds very, very nice… hard to describe the sound… fullauto suppressed fire is actually a lot quieter than single shots, and a Tactical-Innov. TAC-65 (for use on my full auto .22 upper for my MAC) – a little louder than the other .22 cans, but still very effective.
I’ve used while in the military, a LOT of .22, 9mm, 6.8mm, .223, 7.82(x51)/.308, 338, and a couple of 50BMG cans. They have all been very effective and efficient (with the exception to Knight’s Armament stuff). The only suppressors I have ever shot that I can actually attest to hearing only the action noise, are the .22 cans. Even then, when you know what your hearing, you can still hear the report.
Sorry for the long-windedness. I’m at work and bored.
Oh and BTW: I have a great deal of experience with suppressors. All my cans are less than 2 years old. Anyone who owns .45 cans or have shot them know, that even if you used wipes in your can, you will still hear a GREAT deal more than "just the action noise". The .45 is not the best weapon to suppress. Physics alone negate that. You have a bullet the size of your pinky tip (on average weighing 230gr) being pushed by a **** ton of powder, propelled to between 850 & 950 fps in an amount of time that can be measured only in nano-seconds…. There is absolutely NO WAY of negating the sound of that gas exploding from the end of the muzzle unless your suppressor is 6 feet long and 3 feet around... even then with about a 1/2 gallon of jello in it. You'd probably still hear a lot of the report. - The hole through a can is larger than the hole in the barrel... unless you use wipes, exploding gases will still escape out causing a loud report. You can't argue with physics, just like you can’t argue with gravity. Your last posting just doesn’t make sense. On the other front.. The PMC Mod. Ammo is a quiet round indeed, but its combat ineffective. It’s the same round as CCI’s CB round. Neither the Mod nor the CB round like to cycle many actions very well at all. Every simiauto out there relies on the recoil generated by the (controlled) explosion of the round. Manufacturers make the ammo subsonic or quiet by removing some (or in the case of the Mod or CB just about all) of the power charge (explosive payload), or make the bullet so damn big (as the case of the .45). The CB and MOD propel the bullet by the explosiveness of the primer (and an extremely low amount of powder). These rounds are good for game control at VERY close distances, but neither is good to shoot from a silencer. The round does not have the speed necessary to stabilize very well and can result in a baffle strike potentially destroying your silencer. Shoot them if you want to, but if you can place a target at 50 feet and see keyholes… you’ve got a round that is NOT safe to use through a can.
Just a FYI. Before you try and slander someone else, please make sure you absolutely know what your talking about. The notion that a .45ACP from a H&K USP through a suppressor is so quiet all you hear is the action noise… it’s not only unbelievable, but just plain ludicrous. Only in Hollywood will this happen. Hell, they can make a .45ACP FMJ flatten against a man’s eyeball and fall to the ground… and make standard cloth impervious to the 2000rpm of a mini-gun! :-D (the latest Superman movie). I’m not trying to bust your balls or be rude. I don’t think neither of us appreciates being called stupid… especially in a public forum.