Suicide or Foul Play?

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vega

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A judge who was in the limelight a few months back for putting behind bars sons of wealthy businessmen and politician was found dead on his hotel room. He got a bullet wound in his temple and his wrists and ankles were slashed. Police found a suicide note but no pen could be found in his room. He has a fresh wound in his forehead and his gun was on top of his table when found.

Hotel employees forced the door of his room because it was chain locked. Windows were also securely locked when they entered his room.

So you LEOs and enthusiasts out there care to give your analysis?

vega

[This message has been edited by vega (edited March 19, 2000).]
 
BTW in the initial finding of police, they ruled that he slashed his wrists and ankles first before he blows his temple..lol.

vega
 
Having personally spoken with ummm...four suicide losers who obviously did NOT succeed their wrist-slashings, I must say that you cannot on the information posted reject the suicide possiblity.

Gun on the table is quite fishy.

The other wound on the forehead is consistent with the emotional frenzy often displayed by folks whose faulty thinking makes them believe there is "no other way..." I personally saw some impressive self-inflicted head-bashing taking place at the PD station when reporting for the university newspaper.

However, that wound is also a red flag (no pun intended) that homicide is a distinct possiblity!

The gun on the table *could* be not a problem if the victim (self-inflicted) used a mousegun and bled out. I heard firsthand from one of the cops involved of a suicide who was too lazy to write a note and turned on a tape recorder instead. After the sad tale and justifications ended, the tape went:

BANG!

OW!

BANG!

Oh Gawd that HURTS!

BANG!

The cop didn't say how many shots it took, but it was a .25 auto the suicide "winner" used.

I know this story is secondhand hearsay to you guys, but I believe it. Certain scholarly writings have described suicide attempt head wounds that were not immediately fatal and sometimes even did not result in immediate unconscousness. Remember the Hawaii airliner that lost its roof just behind the cockpit? One passenger had a piece of aluminum through his skull and into the brain during the ordeal, and never lost consciousness until they got on the ground...

Do not discount homicide until the investigation results adequately address your questions. Though suicide is *possible* given the facts you posted, homicide crafted to appear as suicide seems more plausible. Heck, the killer(s) could have even placed the gun in the guy's hand and been long gone when the victim regained enough consciousness to put the gun on the table.

Investigators gotta ask the right questions. "Who put the gun on the table?" might not lead to the whole truth, you know.
 
Was the suicide note written on hotel stationery? If so the lack of a pen is germane. Otherwise assume he wrote it beforehand as part of his prior planning.
What did the note say? What was his reason?

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Ed
 
If he was sitting at the table when he did the deed, then it's quite logical for the gun to be on top of the table.

Does the forehead wound have any powder burns or stippling? Had it bled? Is it possible that he could have received the forehead wound post mortem, for example, striking his forehead on an object as he died?

The wounds on the wrists could be hesitation marks.

Blood alcohol level of the victim?

Suicide note typed or handwritten? Check his office(s) for matching pads, and then check the pads for imprints to see if he wrote the note there.

LawDog
 
I have a book here somewhere in which the authors claim that a man once killed himself by boring 8 holes in his own head with a power drill. (Felton and Fowler's Best, Worst, and Most Unusual)
 
1. He used a .25 cal

2. Hotel stationery was used. Suicide note was handwritten by the Judge.

3. Beside the note was a withdrawal slip for his burial and cremation.

4.He was sitting in front of the table and bumb his head on the foot of the night stand on his way down to meet the floor.

5. So what happened to the pen?
 
I had a suicide: 2 shots from a 12 gauge pump, one to the gut, next one to the head & the safety was ON. Suicide, all right. Looked wierd, but it was.
 
If EMS was called, that's probably what happened to the pen. One of them used it to write info and stuck it in his pocket by habit.

I love EMT's to death, but they can muck up a crime scene faster then a muddy beagle puppy.

In the past, I have had EMT's grab the suicide note and use it as scratch paper, toss the gun into a medical bag for safety, and other fun things.

LawDog
 
Vega, based on your additional information, I now leap to the not-all-the-facts-are-in conclusion that it was indeed a suicide.

I still want a firm conclusive finding of where the pen went. Sounds like many plausible possibilities...

How about fingerprints on the cartridges in the magazine? Not dispositive, but it helps.
 
Greetings to All:

In Philippines, there is a so called "Utang na Loob" meaning a particular guy or a group has to look back to a particular "Debt of Gratitude" which was done by someone. If the person who owes a debt of gratitude will be asked the one whom he owed that "Utang na Loob" you can seldom resists. It just varies how is the weight of "Debt of Gratitude".

I remember, I was told by a Law Enforcer that whatever a crime made by someone if he acted alone and no one saw the crime, no matter how good intelligence gathering is, the crime remain unsolved. Many times it happened in the Philippines. Previously, a certain minister of Finance if I am not mistaken (Chinese Filipino) was found dead in his residence room with a suicide note and a .38 unlicensed revolver being used by him, as allegedly stated by the police investigator. Up to now, that case was unsolved.

The most celebrated one is the Ninoy Aquino Assasination. Firstly, it was published by the defunct "Philippine Constabulary" that Aquino was killed by a lone gunman in the named of Galman. The constabulary try to fool the public and make them believe that the senator was assasinated by Galman, till big investigation body was formed.

Until now, that case was not solved, who is really is the trigger man. The commission after their investigation just concluded that the group of soldiers were responsible, but haven't pinpointed who squeezed the trigger. The soldiers were indicted but pleaded not guilty (one of those accused is my best friend named Sgt. Moreno Dela Cruz). That case, whoever the GodFather was not prosecuted. Even the Wife of Ninoy Cory Aquino became president, she was not able to solved or come to know the truth. Only suspects to some personality, but in this world, mere suspicion won't stand.

To summarize, if the assassin belongs to an organized group, those assassin cannot be traced as, they themselves are well trained, well connected and perhaps they are also in the government. You and me knows what I am talking. If there is big money involve, politics, in-country or out-of-the country motivated assassination - for sure it will not be solved. Like that Judge claimed to have comitted suicide. I doubt if that is true, he might have been murdered by well connected, perhaps people in the gov't or purely hired independent assassin. He was killed for he might have committed grave mistakes in his capacity as a judge. Several Judge has been murdered in Phils for sometimes there are many corrupt Judges, this has been proven because many Judges and were relieved for their corruption.

A crime can be concealed if there is only one person who have done the crime and it will only surface if the person involve will confessed. The more the crime will be misleading if ther eis one is acting inside to mislead every body.

All things I have said are part of criminology subjects, I believe that case of this judge will be just be forgotten like the previous cases for it is not an ordinary suicide but to silence the judge to hide something we don't know.

Thanks
 
I can't help it. The

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>BANG!

OW!

BANG!

Oh Gawd that HURTS!

BANG!

The cop didn't say how many shots it took, but it was a .25 auto the suicide "winner" used.[/quote]

made me chuckle. Am I sick or is that just dang pitiful?
 
I lean toward suicide due to the windows being secured and the door being chain locked. Was there any other way out?

lawdog,
Your stories about the EMT's made me laugh. In my EMT classes the instructors told lots of stories along the lines them giving CPR and having a cop ask "Hey, does that guy have his proof of insurance on him?". hehe I guess no I have the "other" side of the issue. :)
 
xyzman44,

:D, while I haven't asked for proof of insurance, I have asked some things that, in hindsight, could be seen as less than logical given the situation.

Me: Has he said anything?

EMT: Not yet.

Me: Are you sure?

EMT: Deputy, we're doing CPR here, he has a plastic tube down his throat, and he's been cut high, wide and handsome.

Me: Oh. Hmm. I guess IDing his assailant is out?

:D

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited March 23, 2000).]
 
with close to 30 years of service( fire and ems), i can say that there have been a number of "brilliant statements and idiotic actions " both by us and leos :D :D
 
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