Did you read my post, Ludarue? There seems to be an ongoing misunderstanding as to just what constitutes a "pistol grip". PetahW did recommend a twenty gauge, semi-auto shotgun that has a pistol grip, at least as far as most older shooters are concerned. Pistol grips for many of us simply means the stock of a shotgun is not a straight-gripped one but rather is configured with a "pistol grip". No right or wrong here; it's a matter of semantics as it relates to nomenclature and, as I opined in my earlier post, our individual understanding of the term "pistol grip" as it applies to shotgun stocks probably has much to do with how old we are as it does anything else.