succinylcholine to increase stopping power

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Rusty S

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Whatever happened to the curare-like substance that was once loaded into roll back pods behind the broadhead for deer hunting? I think succinylcholine was the name of the substance. What of buffering Glaser safety slugs with it between pellets? Filling hollowpoints? Could it be concentrated enough to work effectively and quickly?

If no current pistol round has adequate stopping power, why not put another stopping mechanism into play?

Yes, I do have too much time on my hands. But what the hey, who knows what answers will come out of asking the question.
 
I read somewhere that old time mafiosi used to run their bullets with garlic to ensure an infection.
 
Succinylcholine is a compound that has the potential to kill by paralyzing the individual's skeletal muscles, including those used for breathing.

It is a controlled substance, used in anasthesia frequently to paralyze the patient. It's even been used in at least one notorious murder case. I would imagine that it's a terrible way to die, being fully concious, yet unable to even do so much as blink while you suffocated.

I would say that shooting people with poisoned bullets would be a virtual suicide by jury, and justifiably so.


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The old axiom about garlic causing infections is absolutely FALSE.

Garlic is an INCREDIBLE bacteriocide. It contains high concentrations of sulfur and other chemicals that are lethal to many bacteria, including those that cause staph infections. In many ways garlic mimics the actions of topical sulfa drugs.

Ever hear the old saying "Russian Penicillin"?

That refers to garlic!

Russian doctors have used crushed garlic (and some types of crushed onions) to treat wounds for a long time, including World War II, when in the early days it was practically the only anti-infection agent available.

Another bit of trivia about garlic... It is one of the only substances whose active ingredients have no known toxcicity level. You can eat a truckload of garlic with no problems, which can't be said about a lot of other stuff.

You just won't be too popular... :)

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Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
Mike knows what he is talking about. Trust me, I'm of Hungarian/Transylvanian heritage. We know about garlic.( VBG )

I agree with DMR that it would be suicide by jury.

It shouldn't be, though. You don't shoot if you aren't justified even if he dies as a result of your stopping him. And if it's so vital to stop him immediately, what is the difference with shooting him center chest with a 12 ga. mag loaded with 41 pellets of #4 buck or 15 pellets of #00 buck from 21 feet ( call it a 7" spread at that distance ) which statistically approaches certainty of death, and something that stops him by paralysis?

Yeah, I know, it's the way it is.

What happened to the use of it by archers? I remember it being touted 20 years ago, and then it dropped out of sight?
 
the substance used on bullets to cause infections was manure not garlic. a hollow point with a small amount of manure in the cavity will insure an infection but hay who has got the time to wait for a BG to die from blood poisoning? as far as the use of poison in bullets..it might seem to be a good idea but you are not a pigmy tracking an antelope. we want FAST incapacitation! do the job with a proven caliber of lead and you can't go wrong.

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Easy now. This thread is treading very close to the edge of unacceptable for TFL. (If you wonder why this is so then you don't know our policies well enough and should review them.)

As you were.
 
So are there any bowhunters out there that remember what happened and why to the broadhead deer hunting pods? You can email me privately if you wish.
 
My guess is that the hunting pods you're referring to disappeared because succinylcholine is a controlled substance.
 
"You can eat a truckload of garlic with no problems." Funny, that hasn't been my experience with my wife...

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Hmmm, I wonder if something like this would be effective for stopping something like,... oh, I don't know,... a bear maybe???

NEXT POST: 9mm hollow points with succinylcholine - enough stopping power for bear? :p :p
 
A little off topic, butt not if we are talkin stopping power. A guy in our office takes special delight in "fumigating" the place occasionally. My revenge: on the night of said infraction I roast up a head of garlic and eat all of it, next day he (the olfactory offender) aint lovin life!
 
An interesting concept (the succinylcholine, that is ;)), though clearly not viable from a legal standpoint. For theoretical interest only, though, there is a technical difficulty with this in that the dose required for paralysis, at least at standard concentrations, is on the order of 2 ml, which is more than could be easily delivered as described above. Thus said, further speculation is probably not adviseable on a number of grounds ...

Just my .02.

Andrew
 
This thread got me thinking...How do LEOs & Juries feel about citizens using tranquilizer guns for HD? Assume a fast-acting snooze agent is employed, not a lethal one?
--Daniel
 
None of the additives mentioned increase stopping power.

Some may, however, increase lethality.

I don't (at this point) care about that; my sole goal is stopping the threatening behavior....

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Circlsqr,

Wonder if tranquilizing humans in self defense could be practicing medicine without a license?

Shok

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that's a REALLY good question. with all the $ being spent on non-lethal weapons by LE, why not tranquilizers? or even for home defense?
 
Sorry guys- next to impossible to deliver a lethal dose of succinylcholine via bullet. It would take much more than 2ml and even then a blunt object traveling at 800-1200 fps is not an ideal delivery device. There are other, more potent neuromuscular blocking agents that will remain nameless. The use of succinylcholine and curare in bowhunting has been banned here in Alabama for quite a while.
 
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